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To think our society is on the verge of a slow but inevitable collapse?

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PageStillNotFound404 · 02/08/2016 13:03

I'm usually a glass-half-full of gin kind of person but I've been having an increasing number of gloomy thoughts about where we're headed as a society. It feels as though we're losing sight of the things that elevate us and I keep imagining us as being in the same position as other, equally dominant societies shortly before their decline and fall.

I'm thinking in terms of the endless cycles of violence from which we never seem to learn; a rising general distrust of experts and science and evidence (anti-vaxxers etc) leading to outbreaks of diseases that were under control; higher education increasingly seen as important only insofar as it can produce graduates as economic units, rather than the value of learning for its own sake; the funding of things such as libraries, galleries, museums dropping further down the priority list; the tacitly state-sanctioned dehumanisation of those perceived as somehow "lesser", be that because of race, disability, poverty or whatever; climate change and an energy crisis with no real solutions...put it all together and it feels very bleak and End-of-Dayish.

Of course I can see that good things happen too, and also understand on an individual level that whether your local art gallery stays open or is sold off for flats is of little significance when you only ever pass it on the way to the food bank, but at a broader, society level it matters...doesn't it? And I'm not suggesting we're two days from anarchy on the streets and the entire collapse of civilisation overnight, but then all the dinosaurs didn't die on the same day. It just feels like this is the end of a cycle.

OP posts:
LurkingHusband · 02/08/2016 14:50

I wasn't thinking of somewhere quite that basic! There are actually a few communities that do already exist that I've spent time at. Of course they have their own problems.

Not really "off-grid" then. Just happy to outsource the difficult bits to somewhere else ... maybe, just maybe, that is part of our problem ?

Destinysdaughter · 02/08/2016 14:54

It's wanting to escape as a reaction to feeling helpless. Personally I had a bit of hope when Jeremy Corbyn became leader of the LP. Mainly because I resonated with his ideas. But it didn't take long for that to turn to shit too.

I fear we are heading towards a Third World War, there's so many things right now happening that could potentially reach a tipping point.

HelenaDove · 02/08/2016 15:00

Tax credit claimant.............your fault fuck you.
Social housing tenant...........your fault fuck you.

LurkingHusband · 02/08/2016 15:05

I fear we are heading towards a Third World War, there's so many things right now happening that could potentially reach a tipping point.

Nothing new under the sun ... you could have said that in 1946, 1947 up to 2015, 2016.

Even I am too young to have lived through the Cuban missile crisis ...

If you want some zeitgeist, when the 1987 hurricane hit, and I awoke to a blacked out London, with a howling wind, and the radio and phone dead, I genuinely thought the Russians had struck first. Strangely I wasn't frightened (youth !) more annoyed. What upset me most was failing to speak to my parents (which is why I wanted to use the phone).

MumOnTheRunCatchingUp · 02/08/2016 15:07

How dramatic!

Destinysdaughter · 02/08/2016 15:14

Well I'm 51 and have seen a lot of changes and this feels different somehow. It's lots of factors in lots of countries with no obvious solution. Like things are speeding up somehow. I really haven't felt like this before.

There was an article the other day ( which I chose not to read ) about the similarities between now and the 1930s. Also in times of uncertainty pp are drawn towards 'strong' leaders and are more willing to accept authoritarianism and more extremist ideas which you can already see happening

LurkingHusband · 02/08/2016 15:23

There was an article the other day ( which I chose not to read ) about the similarities between now and the 1930s

Or 1770s ? Or 1680s ? or 1630s ? And is that Europe, the UK, the Western world ?

Every generation throws a hero up the pop charts ...

One thing I think is interesting is the fact that Islam - 1500 years on, is following in the footsteps of Christianity in the 1500s. We are seeing a violent internal struggle between two irreconcilable views of the faith that is affecting and spreading into the non-Islamic world. So for those of you (with strong stomachs) who want a punt at one possible future, just bone up on the (innocuous sounding) "reformation" - particularly in mainland Europe.

One thing that has been a constant in time is how much organised religion fucks things up.

Stratter5 · 02/08/2016 15:36

things are speeding up somehow

Yes! :(

BeyondBeyondBeyondBeyondBeyond · 02/08/2016 15:36

I understand the general feeling of unease. Feels like 'more ' than just anxiety, as you say garlic - it's rational assessment

Fascinating posts by LH.

Think I need to put some thought into it...

BeyondBeyondBeyondBeyondBeyond · 02/08/2016 15:37

Destinys, where was the article? Sounds interesting

LoreleiGilmoreIsMyBFF · 02/08/2016 15:47

For all holiday-makers in Cornwall, Jeremy Corbyn is at Heartlands in Pool (between Camborne & Redruth) this weekend (shamelessly getting this in in - while there's hope, there's hope)

Alisvolatpropiis · 02/08/2016 16:14

Lurking I've drawn that comparison before, in real life not on here.

Doesn't exactly make me excited for the near future, being familiar with the reformation.

Fairyliz · 02/08/2016 16:27

As someone fast approaching 60, I honestly don't think anything is any worse now just different after all in the 70's we lived thro strikes and no electricity in the 80's we were all doomed to die of aids.
I think the main problem is the speed of news in particular bad news. At one time you wouldn't have known about things happening around the world perhaps ignorance was bliss.
Would you really want to go back 300 or 500 years or even 50 years? 50 years ago lots more people were dying of cancer/heart problems. Very few people actually went to university certainly not ordinary people. There wasn't the help there is now for SN children and we didnt visit the library/museum, no money for the bus and we didnt have a car.

Flowerface · 02/08/2016 16:41

YANBU. I think the post-Second World War generation were a blip - rising standards of living, welfare state, decent pensions, etc. Didn't exist before and won't exist again.

I sometimes worry that our children will listen to tales of our international travel etc in wonder as there will be nowhere safe or affordable to go in 15 years time. They have inherited a poisoned chalice - I feel very guilty about it.

sall74 · 02/08/2016 16:48

Economically yes, a collapse is inevitable, no FIAT (debt based) monetary system has ever succeeded and this is one is far bigger than any that has gone before it so the collapse will be all the more severe when it does come.

LurkingHusband · 02/08/2016 16:50

Economically yes, a collapse is inevitable, no FIAT (debt based) monetary system has ever succeeded and this is one is far bigger than any that has gone before it so the collapse will be all the more severe when it does come.

Virtual currencies ? (he says, with a few BTC hidden away)

caroldecker · 02/08/2016 17:01

Up until the early 80's people with mental illnesses were institutionalized and not given medical treatment as a matter of course.
in the 60's and 70's and early 80's racism and sexism was rife and on our telly - Black and White Minstrel shows anyone?
In the 60's and 70's unmarrried mothers were heavily 'encouraged' to have babies adopted
When the pill was first introduced, only married women could get it
Anyone watched 'Cathy come home' or seen these great films from the past 40 years

User5612 · 02/08/2016 17:08

This video explains what happens, it's a cycle and our society is at the end of its, a new Islamic cycle is just beginning though unless the west uses nukes on it's way out.

Just5minswithDacre · 02/08/2016 17:12

I think history goes in little cycles of progress, decline, progress, decline and underneath there is a much slower steady slope of progress.

Yes, this.

FWIW, OP, I think all sorts of choices and actions are more important in dark times, from policy making to individual actions.

ChasedByBees · 02/08/2016 17:15

I have to admit, I have been telling my husband we should stockpile some long life food and for the first time ever, he's agreeing with me. It does feel like we're in a precarious situation at the moment, politically, culturally and financially.

LurkingHusband · 02/08/2016 17:15

.. it does raise an interesting issue that the post WW2 demographic hasn't ever really had a chance to eliminate men on the industrial scale WW1/WW2 did. I don't have figures to compare, but it does suggest that the overall spread of society is something we have never seen before.

LurkingHusband · 02/08/2016 17:16

I think history goes in little cycles of progress, decline, progress, decline and underneath there is a much slower steady slope of progress.

Isn't that just evolution ?

LurkingHusband · 02/08/2016 17:19

I have to admit, I have been telling my husband we should stockpile some long life food

How long ? And when it runs out ? Or do you mean for a "snowed in" type situation.

Two comments:

  1. Panem et circii. As long as the plebs have bread and circuses, the ruling elite can carry on as before. Which means that if there are shortages ... then

  2. Civilisation has broken down to the extent that a few gross of spag bol will only delay the inevitable, because the civilisation you are waiting to return and restock you has long gone. And will be a long time coming.

Have you packed lemon-scented napkins ? Smile

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 02/08/2016 17:27

Yep OP, I'm gloomy about current world situation. What can you do though.

PersianCatLady · 02/08/2016 17:32

I sometimes think like this too.

I mean no-one seems to care much for each other any more, the world's population keeps growing and growing and there are more and more awful things happening.

I just think that humans are eventually going to exhaust the planet and its resources and that eventually something is going to have to give.