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dilemma about DH and the rest of my life

77 replies

MonicaLewinskisFlange · 19/07/2016 09:17

So, DH is and always has been verbally abusive, aggressive and angry all the time. He is also quite lazy and selfish. He has poor impulse control. I suspect some form of adhd, personality disorder and childhood trauma. We have been married a long time and have DC. Everyone will no doubt tell me to LTB which I am feeling that I want to do. After having kept the family unit together for so long, I just don't know if I can go on any more. My love for him is almost depleted, as I feel so victimised and alone. He doesn't do much to help with house and kids and moans about anything he does do. He is constantly bickering with me and older DS, is grumpy and miserable. The tension is awful.

We had a big row recently after he lost his temper with teen DS and shouted and swore at him in a fit of rage, making toddler DS very scared. I feel I have done a crap job at protecting DC from this. We talked about him leaving but no decision was made. He was not in a good place mentally after this convo.

Anyway, DH agreed to go to gp and was referred to anger management therapy. The course will last several months and he is willing to try it.

My dilemma is, should I act on my feelings now and suggest we separate, but that would risk him chucking in the therapy before it has begun because he won't see the point. He needs to go to it to sort out his head, and to be a better person and father, regardless of whether we are still together. I worry about him having unsupervised access to little DS if he doesn't get his anger under control.

Even if he can get through his mental issues and anger problems with therapy, my head tells me he will still be lazy and selfish. I feel like a single parent a lot of the time, so know I could cope without him. I do still love him, just not the same way.

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scaryteacher · 19/07/2016 18:06

I am 50 and my Dad was like this. It still affects me now. I back down in arguments, and flinch inwardly when dh or ds make comments to me in a certain tone of voice.

MonicaLewinskisFlange · 20/07/2016 18:29

Thanks for the replies. Not had time or head space to go through them yet but I will reply.

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MonicaLewinskisFlange · 20/07/2016 18:34

ohnonotmybaby I think you are right. Going back even though I haven't taken the step yet. In my mind anyway. On both counts.

devilsadvocate I agree, life is too short. Will I be wasting my life already spent if I give up on him now, and should I give him longer to cash in on my emotional investment? Or cut my losses and look forward to the next stage? You can see I'm wavering now. Hate this indecision .

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MonicaLewinskisFlange · 20/07/2016 18:35

avocado not advocate! Cool name

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NameChange30 · 20/07/2016 18:41

OP you might find it helpful to read "Should I Stay or Should I Go?" by Lundy Bancroft:
www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B004DI7SSC/

MonicaLewinskisFlange · 20/07/2016 18:42

girl with the lion heart re finances, I could be totally independent thankfully.

Fiona thank you. That does sound sensible advice. To stay but mentally check out. I think I am doing this already. I feel very different to a few weeks ago. Like a different me. One that isn't going to put up with this shit anymore, but who in fact is still here and having to deal with it Hmm

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MonicaLewinskisFlange · 20/07/2016 18:43

Got to do kids stuff now but will be back later this evening. Thanks again all.

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MephistoMarley · 20/07/2016 18:45

Anger management will do diddly squat for an abusive man. You don't owe him anything. If he doesn't do the anger management for himself regardless of whether you stay or leave then he never really felt he needed it in the first place.

MephistoMarley · 20/07/2016 18:48

www.drrobinhaight.com/2013/02/the-concept-of-sunk-cost-in-relationships/ Read this please

Pisssssedofff · 20/07/2016 18:50

Honestly, you just aren't happy that's reason enough without any of the other stuff. Just leave or ask him to. He will not be able to see or have a relationship with the children anyway, cafcass won't let him until he's completed the course. You may as well get in with the inevitable

Purplebaglady · 20/07/2016 18:59
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RueDeDay · 20/07/2016 19:07

Another vote for leaving now. If you wait, then you'll feel obligated to stay with him 'because he's doing/done the course' even if he's still a misery to live with. Cut your losses.

QuiteLikely5 · 20/07/2016 19:07

This isn't about you Monica........believe it or not!!

Your children have grown up witnessing and suffering emotional abuse.

That means they are likely to become abusers or be abused when they enter into their own relationships.

Therapy??? Nothing will fix his abusive ways

You can choose who you want to bring into your children's lives but unfortunately they have to suffer your choice.

Not very fair is it?

You could consider seeking support from SS in order to help yourself and your children get away safely

Pisssssedofff · 20/07/2016 19:55

Oh ffs, she sounds perfectly capable of leaving if she deems it necessary.

MonicaLewinskisFlange · 21/07/2016 13:32

Thanks Lizzie matilda and crunch . Sorry it has taken a while to come back.

Pokemon DC are toddler and older teen. Sometimes interchangeable in maturity! WinkHmm

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MonicaLewinskisFlange · 21/07/2016 13:36

a place on the couch you have a good point. Yes there is now some evidence to back me up, but that wasn't the purpose. I've been trying for many many years to persuade him to seek help.

bubblegurl yes we went together. He has no insight into how his behaviour affects his family, despite having been told by me. There was no mention of violence in the appointment.

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MonicaLewinskisFlange · 21/07/2016 13:42

Thank you mummymeister and turtlemoves. You are right. I feel like an enabler.
I probably would go out with him if I met h for the first time now though. He's handsome and charming! I'd never get to see the angry side of him til much later when he stopped having a bath before a date and using the toilet in front of me! Oh I miss that honeymoon butterfly time! Now however, I don't really want to be with anyone any more.

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MonicaLewinskisFlange · 21/07/2016 13:52

Peggy I shout sometimes, most people do. When he shouts it's like looking into the rage of Satan. He never gets mildly annoyed. It's nothing to red mist rage in a blink. Same with driving, politics, etc. He's like a volcano waiting to blow. All the time.

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MonicaLewinskisFlange · 21/07/2016 13:56

Thank you branleuse and attheendoftheday. I think you're right.

saranova I think I'll read your post a few times to digest it. Proper food for thought. Much appreciated.

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MonicaLewinskisFlange · 21/07/2016 14:36

AnotherEmma

Does he have uncontrollable outburst of anger with anyone other than you and the children? Colleagues, friends, people he encounters in day-to-day life?

Only his own family but rarely. He has never revealed this side of himself to my family, to the general public or work, except a much more controlled repressed version. He usually walks out before it gets to that stage with others. He rages at the telly and other drivers though. Has a few times got out of the car and physically challenged other drivers. Never got into a fight though since school. School was brutal for him. Major physical abuse to him by students and family. He thinks that because he doesn't lose control to the extent of beating people that he is doing well.

If it's just you and the children, it's an abuse issue not an anger management issue.

Interesting, but how does that figure? I don't think he intends to be abusive. It's not manipulative. He just cannot control his impulses. His own emotions take precedence over everything else in that moment. If he tried to maintain control, then it's just suppression, internalisation and bottling it up more for next explosion.

He needs to call the Respect Phoneline and follow their advice. For example, they might suggest that he does the Freedom Programme for men.

Someone suggested this on another thread and I'm checking it out. I may do it too, the one for women.

Even if he admits that he is abusive and agrees to get help, he doesn't need or deserve any help from you. You are the victim of his abuse and you cant help him. You need to focus on getting professional support for yourself. Have you called Women's Aid? Have you asked your GP or Women's Aid about counselling you could get?

But I feel responsible for him (not his actions) because I chose to spend my life with him. I'm thinking of the freedom programme, but not sure about counselling. I don't bloody have time! Also, not keen on naval gazing, or dredging up my own childhood issues. Can't deal with that right now.


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MonicaLewinskisFlange · 21/07/2016 14:42

pragmaticwench I wouldn't know where to start to find emotional therapy support for DC. Youngest is too little but teen, yes I think he does have mild MH issues or maybe on the spectrum. He won't go to gp. I've tried. maybe I also have a fear of DC being put in foster care so haven't insisted it would require the cooperation of DS and he is stubborn

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MonicaLewinskisFlange · 21/07/2016 14:45

lilacinn
To my surprise the 10-week course does not really teach one how to not be angry. In other words, how to better and more philosophically deal with the ups, downs and daily aggravations of life. It just teaches one how to not express it inappropriately. But one still can be seething inside.

That's very interesting. I've just found out its not classes. I thought it would be group therapy AA style, but it's individual sessions with a psychoanalyst.

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dailymaillazyjournos · 21/07/2016 14:48

I agree with leaving now. He could well start the therapy and drop it after a few sessions after he decides he a) hasn't got a problem and/or b) it's a load of crap.

Having stayed in a dreadful marriage way way longer than I should have done and dd very anxious (along with self-harm and anorexia), I wish to high heavens I'd have left while she was much younger. If MN had been around at the time I know posters would have advised leaving for both DD and my sakes. And they'd have been totally right.

You and your children deserve far more and will be far better without him living with them.

Very few people are able to change and often the abusive behaviour can be deeply entrenched, that it can be a lifetime's job to address, even for those who are deeply committed to changing.

MonicaLewinskisFlange · 21/07/2016 14:49

Felicia ^You're not happy. Even without that it's enough to say you want to separate.

If he does the AM course, and it works for him, then maybe you might think about letting him into your life again. You might just fall in love with him again.

I don't think that's likely to happen when you have no space to allow yourself to try and get there if that makes sense.^

This so much for saying this. It made me cry a little. I was thinking of a trial period of six months and we see how we each feel at the end of it. Not sure if that ever works?

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freemanbatch · 21/07/2016 15:00

I was you five years ago, I kept giving him chances for therapy, to change, to realise what he needed to do etc etc but the truth is they know what they're doing, the therapy is all talk. you know he can control himself because he doesn't scream and shout at his boss/friends/the postman.

Please think of yourself now, give yourself permission to be happy and walk away.

He won't change he is an abuser!