To find it weird that people still give Michael Jackson Godlike status??

[happyend]

Is it just me? They have now found pornographic images of young boys at his home yet people still talk about him as if he is so great. One particular person I know gets her son to do his MJ dancing and he wears his hat everywhere and it makes me feel ill. I don't think people would find this acceptable if it was about Gary Glitter, would they?? I don't get it, can anyone enlighten me?

[User8530]

No, if you'd bothered reading my posts I haven't once said that I think it's a good idea. I'm saying that just because children did sleep in his room that it doesn't automatically mean he abused them.

[HerRoyalFattyness]

If you're innocent you don't give the people accusing you of something so horrific a fuck load of money. You don't give them a penny. Ffs

This will go the same way as all the other mj threads

Idiots will come on to say he's innocent, people with a bit of common bloody sense will try to explain that he was a paedophile, mn will delete it.

[GreatFuckability]

There is very little doubt in my mind that MJ abused children. At the same time, I do sort of understand how hard it is for lifelong, dedicated fans find that hard to accept.
I follow a band, I'm a MASSIVE fan, I've been on every tour since I was old enough to do so, have met members of the band, etc etc. If, then at some point, god forbid, a similar revelation was made about them, It would change the way I look at something thats been a part of my life since i was a child. I'd not WANT to get rid of music that has amazing memories for me. I do get that must be very difficult, so the 'easier' option mentally is refuse to accept it as true.

[User8530]

It's worth noting that he didn't offer to pay them off, they suggested settling. Also his estate settled without his consent because they thought it was the best decision.

Jordy Chandler's father Evan wrote the screenplay for Robin Hood Men In Tights, and had contacted Jackson to get his financial backing. Jackson originally agreed but then his advisors talked him out of it so he pulled out of the project- shortly after Jordy Chandler accused him of abuse. After MJ died, Evan Chandler killed himself, and Jordy has since admitted it was all a ploy to extort money out of MJ to get him back.

If anyone has any actual facts for a counter argument then I'd love to hear them.

[RedHareWithBlondeHair]

Can someone just answer: categorically speaking has he been proven to actually be a child molester? I read the article by the Daily Mail wrt his stash of abuse images and also the one from his former personal doctor detailing his obsessions with an 11yo - but that's the Daily Mail and they're not exactly the world class of exemplary journalism. There are rumours abound but has anything irrefutable been proven?

[Scuttle22]

What's wrong with Hobbit films?
I agree with Pagwitch that most of the 70s pop stars probably had some underage activity - it seems that was just how it was unfortunately. Then there's Lewis Carroll etc it's hard to keep track. Serious abusers like Saville, Lost Profits guy are different but I can't wipe out my whole childhood!

[molyholy]

Yanbu OP. I find it hard that so many people hold him in such high regard, with such a sketchy past. It's the amounts of settlement money involved which I find astounding. Not black and white, but very suspect. Of course this is all imho. But I will not be bigging him up to my 7yo dd.

[KimmySchmidtsSmile]

Hobbit films? The only thing I can think of is that Peter Jackson is a bit like David Fincher: lots of retakes does not necessarily make for a happy crew . But neither are as bullying as David O'Russell.
What perfectionism has to do with boycotting though, I have no idea

[KimmySchmidtsSmile]

I think many Lost prophet fans, and even fellow members of the band, baulk at listening to the music now. Ian Watkins (the evil one, not poor H from Steps) put paid to that.

[happyend]

Well I baulk when this person I know says to her DS, do your MJ dancing DS go on, go on.

[80schild]

RedHare - nothing has ever been proven irrefutably. I was never a huge fan as a child and in the past I would have said he was but after reading everything I have, I believe the evidence to be very suspect.

[happyend]

It has never been disputed that this grown man had children sleeping in bed with him though. Is that not enough?

[pictish]

I remember watching one of those tattoo fixer shows and there was a poor young woman who had had some Lost Prophet lyrics tattooed in massive letters across her stomach. By God did she want rid of that tattoo!

Don't ever get a band/celebrity tattoo I say. Paying permanent homage to people you don't know from Adam is a mug's game...you never know what might emerge.

Regards Michael Jackson I'm not a fan and never was. Billie Jean is a great song, otherwise he has never held any interest for me as an artist. Always thought he was skin crawly and odd. I can't rightly state whether he was an active paedophile or not but all instincts have always screamed yuck yuck yuck!

[DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen]

Regards Michael Jackson I'm not a fan and never was. Billie Jean is a great song, otherwise he has never held any interest for me as an artist. Always thought he was skin crawly and odd. I can't rightly state whether he was an active paedophile or not but all instincts have always screamed yuck yuck yuck!

Yep, sums up my feelings too.

[80schild]

A child sleeping in a grown up's bed is definitely not enough evidence to prove he was a paedophile. It isn't a sexual act in itself otherwise it would make 50% of the population guilty. I am sure there are a lot of people who would do it if a chuld was upset. His behaviour was inappropriate definitely but there is a big gap between this and serial relations.

[WhisperingLoudly]

I agree and I find it absurd that there are still people some of whom appear to have joined MN last night who doggedly defend him

Re "settlement" I don't actually consider it a bad thing. What do you want to achieve through a prosecution? For the offender to be punished? Retribution? Protection of others?

I think the most important thing for me would be to ensure my child could be supported and recover as best they possibly could. A sum of money that would allow them to seek private counseling and take the pressure off in terms of having to work if they weren't fully able might be the best way to support them.

[DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen]

I think the most important thing for me would be to ensure my child could be supported and recover as best they possibly could. A sum of money that would allow them to seek private counseling and take the pressure off in terms of having to work if they weren't fully able might be the best way to support them

I agree and remember this is America where therapy is a LOT of money. I wouldn't particularly want to put my child through going to court etc either.

[ElsaAintAsColdAsMe]

Imo taking the settlement, if MJ was guilty, was very stupid. They have allowed their child to think he could be bought.

Had MJ been convicted they would have been able to get compensation anyway.

I don't know about MJs personal life and have no strong opinions on his music but I do very much doubt that the parents in that particular case had anything but money on their mind.

[Pagwatch]

80schild


"A child sleeping in a grown up's bed is definitely not enough evidence to prove he was a paedophile. It isn't a sexual act in itself otherwise it would make 50% of the population guilty. I am sure there are a lot of people who would do it if a chuld was upset. His behaviour was inappropriate definitely but there is a big gap between this and serial relations."


Hang on a minute. 50% of people would be guilty of having children who are effectively strangers to them in their beds?
Or are you drawing a line between parents/relatives having their child in bed with them and an unrelated 40 year old man having children over for sleepovers because I don't think that is even close to the same thing.

Unless you are saying that you know a bunch of fully grown mature men who would quite happily bring a young child with whom they have no relationship, to their bed

[NedStarksHead]

I think in a lot of cases (like my own) it's because you don't want to believe he is actually a pedophile.

I loved him so much, admired his music, loved his live performances, he had such a difficult childhood and was forced into the limelight so early.

It's just horrible and you just desperately don't want to believe it's true.

[WhisperingLoudly]

If he'd been convicted. And with celebrity it is always a BIG if.

Also it's impossible to over emphasise how horrific giving evidence can be, reliving your abuse, being challenged and accused of lying - which is far more aggressively done in USA than many other parts of the world - Seeing your words torn apart and regurgitated in the worlds media.

I've examined and cross examined victims of crime and I'd need an extraordinarily strong motivation to allow my DC to be put through the same.

[Toffeelatteplease]

I love Alice in Wonderland, I don't love the alleged actions of its author.

I love Oscar Wilde, I don't love some of his alleged actions either.

I think David Bowie is awesome, I'm not a fan of drugs.

Not all of our artistic geniuses are as clean living as Sting.

There are fantastic bodies of work don't by less than admirable people... I'm not going to stop enjoying the art because I don't approve of the individual.

[Branleuse]

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/no-child-porn-found-at-neverland-thenor-now-the_us_577fdfbce4b0f06648f4a3f8

[SoleBizzz]

Lewis Carroll too? 😮

[BlushRanunculus]

Agreed.... I made sure there were none of his songs played at my wedding... even if any guests requested them. Same as I wouldn't want Gary Glitter played.