To worry that benefits (WTC, Housing, CB, CT) will be stopped for EU UK residents

[feellikeahugefailure]

It's obvious that EU residents will be allowed to stay, but could they try to limit benefits for these people?

Without these it would be near impossible for many people to afford to have a family, myself included.

[user1468488303]

They do pay more, yes. So you'd they'd be more bothered about it, but they aren't. Its just the UK that has such a problem with it.
Why is that? Is it because migrants are a convenient scapegoat to blame the austerity measures on?

"putting our own citizens first"...slippery slope there, isn't it?

[esornep]

We also need to start putting our own citizens first actually and if there are massive skill gaps, we need to be working out how to fill them from within.

We have shortages of surgeons, consultants and many other workers in the NHS, because we have not trained enough.

We have an increasing population, not least because people are living much longer, so we automatically need more doctors than we thought we would need 20-30 years ago. It takes 20+ years of post-school training to become a consultant. We can't just fill these gaps from our own citizens overnight because we didn't send enough people to medical school 20 years ago.

[MintJulip]

when did austerity kick in? Because people were angry about it way back in 2005/5/7....

We can't just fill these gaps from our own citizens overnight because we didn't send enough people to medical school 20 years ago and because we have had unprecedented Immigration to this country.

Blair did operate the - act now, pay later school of politics, so why dont we get him back to in to sort this out and conjurer up the medics we need?

[MintJulip]

No its not a slippery slope and its what most other countries do.

If you dont have the skills, needed by the country then you cant get in.

If you do have the skills, there needs to be proof you are not taking a job from a citizen of that country.

Thats whats called putting your own citizens first. Its sort of the main job of any government.

[MintJulip]

Unless of course you are racist and hate British citizens are you are happy to see them out of work?

[LucilleBluth]

I think that anyone who's not been an immigrant in another country has no idea actually. We arrived in Canada on a work permit with two small children and received zero from the Canadian government, why should we. I got in line with people from all over the globe to apply for our health cards.....oh yes, no work permit, no health card, no health card, no GP or hospital visit.

The rest of the world does not just hand these things out for free. We need to get a grip on it. No one in their right mind should be against skilled immigration, we need it, it's vital. We don't need low skilled jobs being advertised in Poland.

[user1468488303]

The rest of Europe seems to cope quite well. Could have tried being more like France or Germany rather than trying to put walls up to keep out migrants.

[user1468488303]

We don't need low skilled jobs being advertised in Poland

But that is just where you are wrong! We do, because our own citizens don't want the type of low skilled work that is advertised in Poland. Why do you think anyone would bother to advertise there if they did?

[LucilleBluth]

Because with zero hours contacts and shit pay a Polish 20 year old can afford to take the job. A UK citizen with a family can't. Low skilled, low paid workers in the country have been shafted....hence Brexit.

[Bestthingever]

Absolutely Lucille I have been an expat in other countries (non-EU) and didn't expect a thing from them. I have also been in the situation of returning to the after living abroad. I didn't expect a thing from this country. I didn't even claim child benefit because I didn't feel I had a right to.

[user1468488303]

Because with zero hours contacts and shit pay a Polish 20 year old can afford to take the job. A UK citizen with a family can't

Ah now come on, you can do better than that! A Polish 20 year old can afford to take the job, and so can a British 20 year old. A Polish person with a family can't, and a UK citizen with a family can't either.
So try again.

[esornep]

If you do have the skills, there needs to be proof you are not taking a job from a citizen of that country.

So for highly skilled jobs you would always take a British person who could just about do the job over a much more highly qualified/skilled foreigner, just so that you are not taking a job from the British citizen?

This argument simply doesn't make sense in some sectors of our economy. Our universities are amongst the best in the world because we have been willing to hire the best candidates from an international pool of applicants for decades. The same for our high tech sector. Countries which have insisted on hiring only or mainly their own citizens in their universities (including Canada, Australia, France) have higher education and high tech sectors which are massively underperforming and hence damaging their countries' economies.

[Chikara]

evilcherub - absolutely right
Probably a good thing. Employers should be paying proper wages not expecting taxpayers to subsidise low pay so they can hire cheap workers from the EU and make huge profits

And whilst some countries do pay benefits few give a low paid family HB, WTC, CB to the level we do.

Most people would support this I think especially when benefits are supplied to people who are not living here, (legal - check it out), or whose children are not living here and paying UK living expenses.

People want things to be fair - and that isn't

[user1468488303]

It is, because it works the same way in both directions. Not to mention that paying UK child benefit for a child in Poland whose parent works in the UK is FAR cheaper for you that that child being here with their parent and also using schools, healthcare etc etc.

[Chikara]

I hate this idea that Brits don't want the jobs. It is not true.

My ex DP when made redundant applied for hundreds of jobs at very low skill levels as his age was against him. Not a hope. Yet many of those jobs were filled by foreigners, ( I know as some were local and I know who was taken on).

I need part time local work and I have applied for a job in the library, three shop jobs and two local admin jobs. All were filled by Eastern Europeans. (The local library FFS!!)

I work freelance but really need something regular. It is pretty hopeless.

[Bestthingever]

When child benefit is paid for a child in the UK, it will be used to buy goods and services in this country. When it is paid to a child eg in Poland it goes straight out of our economy and will help stimulate the Polish economy.

[user1468488303]

When child benefit is paid for a child in the UK, it will be used to buy goods and services in this country. When it is paid to a child eg in Poland it goes straight out of our economy and will help stimulate the Polish economy

And that is still offset by not having to spend the relevant money on the child living in the UK, which is more.
But what you are really saying is that you don't want them here AND you don't want them there getting CB, because you don't want the Polish parent here at all.

[JamieVardysParty]

Lucille absolutely took the words out of my mouth.

[alltouchedout]

My husband is an EU national. I am British. We have been married almost 11 years. He's been here more than 12 years. We have three children. We both work, him FT, me currently 30 hours/ week and starting a new, FT job in August. We pay tax and NI, obviously. Mine is one of the families referred to when the 'number' of EU families claiming benefits in the UK is discussed, despite 80% of our household being UK born British citizens. Those of you who feel that people born elsewhere should not be able to claim benefits in Britain- what would you like to do? Half the amount of child benefit and tax credit we get because my children had the temerity to be fathered by a foreigner? I suppose we could leave him, and set up a single parent household. No benefits would be going to him then- although I would cost the state far more, as on a single income my entitlement would be much higher than ours is as a family. But hey, as long as no money is going to a foreigner, right?

I'm going to have to post this and then hid the thread because I cannot be civil with the sort of people who express some of the anti migrant views in this thread.

[PersianCatLady]

I don't think EU immigrants should be allowed to claim benefits and the sooner they are prevented from doing so, the better.

[mamamea]

That Guardian article is misleading bollocks.

JSA is not a significant benefit in the UK.

The main benefits in the UK are pensions, disability, income support, child tax and working tax credits. Not JSA.

There are also three times more EU citizens in the UK than UK in the EU. Each EU country has a net debt of citizens to the UK, with the exception of Spain (180,000 more brits there), Cyprus (10,000 more brits there), France (9,000 more brits there).

[JamieVardysParty]

I would love to have the opportunity to move to the country I grew up in and build a life with my highly-educated and highly-skilled DH. We would both certainly pay tax and NI - no plans for children so wouldn't require any of those benefits etc.

However, we can't. Because he's non EU and we are currently not in the position to afford the visa fees or for me to finish my retraining so that I can earn 19k per year. We also don't have a spare 60k in the bank either.

So we moved elsewhere to be together, to places that like Lucille said, we have no support system, no work visa, no free healthcare...

Many people have asked me over the years why I don't live in the UK because it is viewed as the land of milk and honey. I frequently get asked how my country can afford free healthcare, free education, social housing, welfare etc. I don't have an answer.

I look at people here working 4-5 jobs between them to support their families without any help. No safety net if something goes wrong. They do not feel entitled to anything.

[whois]

I'm massively opposed to Brexit.

However this is one thing that might be a good thing to come out of it. No way should we be paying things like WTC to foreign nationals.

Don't have the skills to come here and get a job that pays enough to live on? Why the fuck should my taxes go to you? They shouldn't.

[whois]

Those of you who feel that people born elsewhere should not be able to claim benefits in Britain- what would you like to do? Half the amount of child benefit and tax credit we get because my children had the temerity to be fathered by a foreigner?

I think he shoudl have to go through the citizen process and get a UK passport for your family to receive beneftis.