To think about joining the Conservative Party

[travellinghopefully12]

(Even though I disagree with almost everything they stand for?)

I grew up in a not well-off household and my values were always very left-wing (fiercely so)

I can't even believe I am thinking of joining the Tories, but I want a say in who is next PM.

Having had my party stuffed with £3 Trots and Tories for Corbyn in order to make it unelectable, on 24 June I immediately logged on with a view to getting my own back. The £25 and damage to my self-esteem I could cope with. But they're not so stupid as they're cabbage-looking and made it impossible for more to join or for those newly joined to vote in the leadership election.
You have to admire them for thinking like sneaky shits to defeat sneaky shits. Or maybe that's just what they are...

My 18 year old DS is a member of the Conservative party. I did say I would throw him out if he voted for Gove. Fortunately that is not an option now.
I am disturbed that he gets a say in the next PM and I don't.

You have to admire them for thinking like sneaky shits to defeat sneaky shits. Or maybe that's just what they are.

On this I agree with them. It is stupid to let people join just to vote.

I didn't agree with Miliband when he introduced it. It is that policy that had got us into this mess with SWP and Trots joining to keep Corbyn now.

Really we need to change the law so if a party changes leader mid term - they are forced to call a General Election.

We dont have a presidential system, so we dont get a vote on who is PM. Would you rather have the US system, nightmare.

I am a Tory member, we are normal humans, (voting TM) but also joined £3 Labour to get Corbyn elected. I never understood why Unions always give money to Labour when a lot of their members are conservatives.

We dont have a presidential system, so we dont get a vote on who is PM. Would you rather have the US system, nightmare.

I am a Tory member, we are normal humans, (voting TM) but also joined £3 Labour to get Corbyn elected. I never understood why Unions always give money to Labour when a lot of their members are conservatives.

"Really we need to change the law so if a party changes leader mid term - they are forced to call a General Election."

Why?

Genuine question. Because it's been this way for decades (first I remember was Callaghan, but suspect there were examples before that).

You're nuts

They're Tories - they're both Tories

They literally hate poor people. And non white people. And people who aren't middle class.

They're Tories.

Gordon Brown was elected as PM by the Labour party after Blair stepped down and there wasn't an election for 2 years after that. It's how our system works.

They literally hate poor people. And non white people. And people who aren't middle class.

I am a Labour Party member, but ^ this type of rubbish is ridiculous.

When people come out with stuff like this is it any wonder that people don't admit they vote certain ways.

Oh come on Piglet, it might be hyperbole but it's just as nuts as choosing between leadsom and may

There's a bloody grain of truth in it for sure. You, as a Labour Party member will no doubt have looked up their voting records and know how much they vote against measures to help the working class/the underclass/anyone who needs anything ever

Oh god, what was that great quote the other day when referring to the choice between Boris and and Gove:

"It's like asking whether you'd prefer vomit or shit on your chips"

Same choice as between Leadsom and May

Oh come on Piglet, it might be hyperbole but it's just as nuts as choosing between leadsom and may

Yep. Labour have Corbyn at the moment which is equally nuts

Corbyn has support of the membership though, just not the parliamentary MPs

It wasn't people joining the Labour Party to vote that was so much the problem as the £3 'supporters' who could then vote. I know loads of people who did this just to vote for Corbyn to make Labour unelectable, add to them all the SWP twats and that's how he won. Though he goes on about 'the members' voting for him, it was almost as many non members, most of whom were simply troublemakers.

I don't care if we we get May or Leadsom, they are both vile so it's no difference. Gove would have been the Corbyn-alike!

Couldn't you just roll yourself in shit and stick pins in your eyes?

Much the same effect as joining the Tory party, one would think, but you wouldn't hate yourself quite as much.

They literally hate poor people. And non white people. And people who aren't middle class.

The only hatred is coming from you... Thankfully most of the public see through this whining nonsense about Tories being akin to Satan.

The only people who get vote of the PM in a general election are the people who vote in the constituency of the leader of the winning party.
Looking back over the past 37 years, we have had:
1979-1990 Thatcher elected 3 times
1990-1997 Major mid-term transfer and 1 election
1997-2007 Blair elected 3 times
2007-2010 Brown mid-term transfer
2010-2015 Cameron head of coalition
2015-2016 Cameron elected once

So we have had 5 prime ministers of which 2 (40%) were not elected when initially in office and 1 who was in a co-alition.
Prime ministers not being leader of the party at the time of an election winning a majority is common and covers 10 out of the last 36 years.

Corbyn has support of the membership though, just not the parliamentary MPs

Not all the membership and his support is waining.

How much of it is true support anyway once you whittle out the SWP/trots/Tories for Corbyn is debatable.

Why are people so obsessed with 'SWP and Trots' being the only people who joined to vote for Corbyn? Is there anything in the way of actual evidence for this? Apart from isolated cases and Tories like PeachPudding admitting to doing it?

Why are people so obsessed with 'SWP and Trots' being the only people who joined to vote for Corbyn? Is there anything in the way of actual evidence for this? Apart from isolated cases and Tories like PeachPudding admitting to doing it?

Have you seen the save Corbyn rallies? No/very few Labour banners. Many SWP / Stop the War banners /momentum

No one has said they are the only people. There are a large proportion however.

In my lifetime, we've had Callaghan, Major & Brown (2 Labour, 1 Tory) who became PM without a GE. We elect our MP's in this country, not the PM.
To all the lefties moaning, if you multiply your anger & worries x10, this is how those of us in the centre & the right, probably more so, felt when Gordon Brown become PM.

Interestingly, all 3 of them never won a GE for their parties

Interestingly, all 3 of them never won a GE for their parties

Major won the 1992 election.

[Misty eyed] I'm now nostalgic for the days on John Major and Ken Clarke who were positively moderate, one nation tories. And I'm a life long Labour supporter.

I've worked with May's Home Office professionally. She's impressive and a great negotiator, even if I disagree with many of her policies. Leadsom will take women's rights back a century. I hate women who smash through the glass ceiling only to pull the ladder up after them.

I'm a Tory and guess what I don't hate the poor or ethnic minorities! I just see different solutions to the problems.

Anyway I'm voting for May. Not in love with either of them and I look forward to the day Ruth Davidson is our leader and PM but May is way better than Leadsom and as a remainer is better to unite people.