...to feel terrible for Reeva Steenkamp's parents as once again her murderer Oscar Pistorius has been sentenced to far less than the mandatory minimum?

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I've just watched the sentencing live. He was sentenced by the same judge who erred in the first case and caused it to be sent back for review. Supposedly the mandatory minimum for murder, the crime for which he was convicted, is fifteen years, however Judge Thokozile Masipa gave him...six. Six years for pumping four high-powered rounds through a bathroom door at a person whose identity he claimed not to know, a person who he knew had nowhere to hide from those rounds. To top it all off as Reeva Steenkamp's poor parents sat there they had to hear their daughter repeatedly referred to as "the deceased" without even the courtesy and dignity of her name.

I do hope there's a procedure for judicial recall in SA and this judge gets to go through it. So much blatant favouritism through both trials and sentencing phases, it makes me ill.

Errrr..... he was trying everything in his power to keep out of jail, that's why he said that. And why he cried, snivelled, wailed, promised to do good works etc etc. It's all about him.

As I think we all said at the time, it's infortunate Frank slept through the whole thing, only being woken by the police arriving.

I hope reevas ghost beats him to death with a cricket bat inside his cell
He's despicable

Gone

Your attempts at insulting me are not hitting the mark, I'm afraid, so give it up. It's not actually me trying frantically to excuse a man from blowing his girlfriend's head to pieces, is it?

Like it or don't like it - it is a FACT that whatever Pistorius thought he was doing that night he was not acting to defend himself. He acknowledged that himself every single time he said it was "an accident".

It is impossible to accidentally intend to defend yourself. If the logic of this continues to elude you there's not much I, or anyone else, can do to help. We can't think it through for you.

Was it an accident? I'd believe that if he shot once. But not four times...and most certainly not when ballistics evidence proves that he paused after the first shot, changed trajectory and continued firing.

He wanted to kill. And without meaningful justification, that is murder, whoever the victim happened to be.

It amazes me that you put so much store on the thought that he might have been scared & anxious. So fucking what? Life is scary for a lot of people a lot of the time but that entitles no one to act as a deliberate executioner.

And what are you on about - the SCA never, ever discounted the witnesses evidence. One person only has done that....Masipa. Yes, her.....the stunningly inept judge who screwed things up so badly her verdict was overturned. She ignored vital evidence from Mangena so it's hardly a reach that she did the same with the four ear witnesses.

The forensic's evidence was largely neutral....far from falling apart as you are trying to suggest. Vermuelen IN FACT said that there was no scientific way to determine when any of the bat marks were made....except the one that dissected the bullet hole. So it's quite possible that he did smack the door and the bath panel around before he shot Reeva. It's impossible to determine.

I haven't mocked Pistorius, by the way. I don't find anything about him remotely funny. His pathetic and patently untrue fiction has insulted the intelligence of almost everyone who's heard it. Nearly everyone. Those without intelligence to insult have been spared, clearly.

I can't be arsed with you anymore. I won't indulge you further in your repulsive fan-girl idiocy over your favourite murderer and I suggest no one else does either.

Only Reeva and Oscar know what happened that night - and one of them is dead. Oscar's explanation is as dubious as anything since the word dubious was invented - so I know what I think.

Disability has nothing to do with the fact that Reeva is dead, and he's a snivelling twat trying to stay out of prison, and using his money, status, anything he can, to do so.

Occam's razor. They argued and he shot her in a jealous, angry rage. She had packed to leave, and tried to flee to a safe place with her phone. I have no doubt that he regretted it, they always do, don't they? They're always sorry afterwards.

Yeah.....that's what I don't get about Masipa's take on things. Surely she knows that every single murderer is sorry for what they've done. How many swagger into court proud of what they've done.

He ruined his own life completely (although he does, at least, still have one). So of course he's going to be desvastated.

But where's the remorse? He lied on the stand and once in prison claimed he didn't deserve to be there because he wasn't a criminal and hadn't done anything wrong! How the hell does that display remorse?

Remorse begins with honesty....not a word Pisspoorstoryius is acquainted with.

I'm so disappointed in the judge.

She has been determined to make special "Oscar laws" from the start of this ongoing legal debacle.

It's disgraceful.

I ache for Reeva's family.

And this is why I'm glad we have a justice system, rather than trial by mumsnet.

I think the lack of respect is mutual apricot.

Still a tragedy though.

Oh, give over, gone. The justice system found him guilty of murder.

*Eventually.

And this is why I'm glad we have a justice system, rather than trial by mumsnet

Huh? The SA judiciary agrees with me (and most of MN) - that he's a murderer who wasn't acting in self defence and his "I was soooooooo scared" tripe went nowhere towards justifying his actions.

So your sneer backfired rather badly. How embarrassing for you.

First you do not respect GW now you do not respect apricot? You also do not respectthecourt verdict of murderaltho ' you are glad we have a justice system'? BTW mum's net accepts that verdict and in doing so respects the justice system , where as in fact you do not as apparently you know better? You have also insulted one pp after another as they wd not stop challenging your idiosyncratic pov and name calling is disrespect as well as being against MN rules . WEre you active inthefirstMN thread prior to and during the first trial? YOu are not going to get that kind of thread again as we now are privy to too much of OP's lies and self pity.,never mind his guilt.

No, remotely embarrassing though I don't know why you don't find your own manner embarrassing. The justice system involves a judge and jury, and that is how it has worked in this case.

And you sound charming too amarmi

amarmai sounds totally on the ball here, gone. Unlike you.

No jury in this case....just one judge who screwed up badly and five others who put things right.

It remains to be seen whether they'll step in to put right her latest obscenity - if they do I am completely certain that they won't be logging on to MN to get tips, dear.

And I have nothing to be embarrassed about. I have a healthy contempt for anyone who spends as much time as you do sticking up for murderers and rapists.

when you insult those you cannot respond to with substantial arguments, you demonstrate what kind of person you are.

All I will add to this discussion is that you know nothing about a country if you do not live there.Comments about a justice system,a judge,prisons and yes INTRUDERS are not imaginable if you do not know.

The screaming harpies for' justice'/revenge has been sickening and makes me ashamed to be a 'sister'.

Nobody knows what happened that night .Guilty or not, the hateful wishing for the worst to befall him in prison is sick.From mums!

Screaming harpies

Thanks for your reasoned and fact filled posts Apricot.

There's little doubt that OP set out to kill whoever was in the bathroom that night. He made no attempt, by his own admission to check to see where a woman he now says he loved was. There is no doubt in my mind that he knew exactly who was in that bathroom and he shot her in what was, for him, a common outburst of rage.

The judge in this case has done a massive disservice to justice in the leniency of her sentencing and I hope that his sentence is altered to fit the crime he committed.

Guilty or not, the hateful wishing for the worst to befall him in prison is sick.

Who has done this and what have they said, because I've RTFT and I must have missed these "screaming harpies".

'screaming harpies'
'ashamed to be a sister'
'from mums'

Lol. I know I said I wouldn't respond to gone anymore, so just lol.

A ' sister' wd be on Reeva' s side .

My arguments were reasoned and made to a clearly contemptuous audience but as usual on mumsnet, the unpopular opinion is vilified not only for the view they put forward but also for their manner, which is always said to be worse than the stroppy insults coming from the majority. I'm also amused to see the 'no reasoned arguments' line when there was a careful silence around any real content contained in my posts.

Whatever.

The more you rant, fail to address competing opinions and use the word 'fucking' when you're supposed to be making a reasoned point, the less respect anyone with judgement (or in authority) will have for you. Don't know why you haven't picked up on this yet - too long inside the bubble, perhaps.

After a number of threads like this in which I've been reduced to embarrassed laughter at the immature rhetoric used by many 'feminist' posters, I no longer give a shit, frankly.

Get over yourself, gone. Your posts are overly sympathetic to Oscar, so people are going to criticise them - because he's been convicted of murder, and been given a very lenient sentence. Fifteen years minimum he should have got.