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to take staff out for dinner?

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DillyDingDillyDong · 30/06/2016 17:22

I started a new job as a nursery manager three months ago. The old manager, let's call her Ann. had been promoted to area manager but the plan was for her to stay as manager for my first month whilst I found my feet before starting the new role but being based in an office on the top floor of our building. First week went well until the Ann was involved in a car accident and wasn't able to work.

The last three months have been really hard, we've had quite a few issues as well as an ofsted inspection (which thankfully went very well!) and the team have been amazing. The deputy manager and room supervisors stepped up to support me and show me the ropes and we've all developed great relationships with each other. They've all worked so hard and I am so grateful for what they've done. From what they've said my managing style is completely different to what they've been used to and they seem to be enjoying coming to work and the general feel around the building is a lot more positive.

As a thank you, I took the staff out for tea and a few drinks in a pub on Friday evening. Nothing rowdy or anything and it wasn't in a place local to nursery. We had an enjoyable evening and some stayed longer or went on to other places after I left about half ten.

Ann came back today and just in conversation I mentioned that we'd gone out on Friday. She said nothing at the time. This afternoon a member of HR team from head office called in to see Ann and I got a call asking for me to come up and see them. I was told by Ann that my socialising with the staff outside of work is inappropriate I itself but to actively arrange and pay for an evening is unprofessional and a cause for concern. I explained that it was a thank you and asked her to show me a policy relating to this that forbids managers from doing this and she said she couldn't but hoped that I would have used common sense to decide if I should or shouldn't do this. She said that she wouldn't give me a warning at this time but in future I need to be aware of what is expected of me on my position and that she will consider disciplinary action if this happens again. The person from HR was taking notes the whole time and I was told I would get a copy. I was so shocked and confused that I didn't really have much to say back to her at the time!

So was I being unreasonable to treat my team to a pub tea and a few wines considering there is no kind of policy or rule stating that I can't?

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DillyDingDillyDong · 30/06/2016 20:57

Thank you, all these responses are excellent!

I am a member of a union, DH suggested getting in touch with them asap and letting them know I was "ambushed" as he put it.

My probation period is three months. I've not heard anything about it though. I might ask about that tomorrow too. I just don't want HR or the owners to see me as causing problems but also don't want Ann thinking she can force me out.

I was going to invite Ann along on Friday but somebody told me that she had put on Facebook that she wasn't doing too well so decided to leave it.

I haven't received a warning but she did seem to insinuate that it's just because I'm new and haven't been told "the rules". I am familiar with the policies and procedures especially ones regarding warnings and dismissal but had no idea this set of invisible rules existed along side!

It has also crossed my mind that I could just talk to her and see if she has a problem, but it's probably best to only discuss this matter with a witness. DH made a good point of emailing her everything from now on rather than popping up to the office or calling up just to keep a paper trail in case she tries anything else! Can't believe that I'm writing all this, I'm so shocked still at being summoned to a meeting and being made to feel like I've been naughty for being nice!

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ReallyShouldKnowBetterAtMyAge · 30/06/2016 21:24

I don't think you would be unreasonable to pen an email to the owners, especially as they visited after ofsted and spoke about paying for a night out themselves once the report was finished.

Keep it brief and factual, I would start with asking for a copy of the minutes made by HR during your informal meeting on xxx where you were advised that the company does not see fit to reward their staff with a thank you for help and support during your probation period. I'd explain that a copy of this company policy was requested but you were advised that wasn't possible and the meeting concluded with no further action taken at this point but a warning that disciplinary action would be taken in the future.

I'd finish with an apology to the owners incase there was a policy that you were unaware of (and still unaware of) but assure them it was all in good spirit of team building and praising the team on a job well done/recognition of team effort and hard work.

End on a positive about how much You've enjoyed your first 3 months, looking forward to continuing working with the team and hope that this incident with sour face fuck wit doesn't cause any further issues.

ReallyShouldKnowBetterAtMyAge · 30/06/2016 21:25

Oh and CC the HR bod in for good measure

StealthPolarBear · 30/06/2016 22:15

Excellent idea - but if you copy and paste please remember to overwrite 'sour faced fuck wit' :o

Mouikey · 30/06/2016 22:32

As you're a member of the union talk to them immediately before you do anything else... It's what you pay them for xxx

Grilledaubergines · 30/06/2016 22:37

Ann's a jealous fucker. You did a lovely thing for your staff and they will have been really touched at your recognition of their hard work.

Next time, bring Ann back a doggy bag, with extra gravy)

iammamam · 30/06/2016 22:45

I'm a governor at a nursery and the staff go out with the head all the time, we are having a staff/governor party at the end of the year so I don't see what was wrong with what you did

Summerwood1 · 30/06/2016 22:52

Tell Ann to do one! She sounds very jealous.

Kittencatkins123 · 30/06/2016 23:36

Down with Ann!

This is some next level petty bullshit from a horrible misery who no one liked due to her being a horrible misery!

Continue being nice to your staff - that almost never happens.

I bet your staff would say Down with Ann too!

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oldlaundbooth · 30/06/2016 23:45

Are you looking for staff, Dilly?

You sound great! FootballGrinStar

DillyDingDillyDong · 02/07/2016 21:04

I emailed the HR manager yesterday and she said she had no idea why this meeting took place and was under the impression that the person who came to the setting on Thursday was just there to see Ann regarding her return to work. She called me back after speaking to the HR assistant and was slightly angry that this had happened the way it did and without her knowing and of course that I had to go to a meeting over a non-issue! I said that I want her to speak to Ann about it and let her know that I am going to take it further which could result in disciplinary action for Ann as well as speak to my Union.

One of the owners came yesterday afternoon for a scheduled meeting with me and she said that she'd been made aware of what had happened and was embarrassed. She told me how pleased she had been with me so far and that there was no such rule in place. She promised to look in to what has happened and get answers and stamp out anything that could cause similar problems. I got the impression that she's not Ann's biggest fan, I'm starting to get this from a few people which makes me wonder how she got this promotion!

Ann had been in another nursery yesterday morning and so didn't get back until the afternoon. She popped her head in to say hello and that was it until she was leaving. She came in to the office and sat down and said "I think we need to talk about yesterday's meeting we had, I believe you're not happy with what I've said. Would you like to talk about it now and I can explain exactly what the issue is?" I just told her that as it is currently being investigated I wasn't willing to talk about it without a witness, wished her a lovely weekend and then turned back to my computer and pretended to be busy!

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ReallyShouldKnowBetterAtMyAge · 03/07/2016 17:30

Glad it went well!

Chottie · 03/07/2016 18:33

Ann is jealous.... watch your back.....

Purplehonesty · 03/07/2016 18:50

Oh dear Ann doesn't sound very professional or very nice!

Hope you get it sorted

whois · 03/07/2016 19:17

Wow thanks for the update but yeah watch your back!

MarcelineTheVampire · 03/07/2016 19:20

The manager has got no legs to stand on- she can't take it further because you haven't done anything wrong. HR are clearly shit because they should have told her this.

You sound lovely.

LifeIsGoodish · 03/07/2016 19:33

Ann got promoted to get her out of direct contact with front line staff. The selection process for your post was no doubt carefully timed to take place during her holiday period.

Pearlman · 03/07/2016 19:37

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redexpat · 03/07/2016 19:46

Oh I love a good update. Well played op.

IPokeBadgers · 04/07/2016 14:29

Have just read the full thread: this Ann woman sounds fecking dangerous. Watch your back Dilly, but well done on how you have handled the situation so far.

I understand why some organisations have policies against "fraternising" but I think that you have started off in a lovely way with your staff, especially as it was not plain sailing in your first few months.

StatisticallyChallenged · 04/07/2016 14:44

Ann is batshit. I'm inclined to agree that she's been promoted to get her away from the staff as that's a totally unhelpful attitude. Having just been through inspection one of the things there was a focus on was the relationship between the staff members. Oh and we took our staff out and paid for dinner as a reward and thank you

The fact that she felt she needed to explain it to you again is worrying as it suggests she's convinced she us correct. Make sure you let hr know she tried it

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