To think people shouldn't play Peppa fucking Pig on loud in a cafe?

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I'm a mum to 3 (2 of whom have gone to church with Grandma and 1 who I've brought to attend a farm trip with Rainbows).

I've stayed in the cafe as it's rare that I get time alone so an enjoying an uninterrupted breakfast.

It's a family farm so naturally I expected there to be kids around. The cafe has 7 free tables yes I counted and they choose to sit on the one right next to me, fair enough, but they didn't need to.

Now they have Peppa Pig playing out loud on a phone.

WIBU to launch the pig into space?!

Yep and 2 years ago @worra, I would have smugly said the same things as you. When DC is screaming "I can't hear it" (about Peppa or whatever the programme of choice is) I bloody well turn it up. And luckily there have been no accidents yet as a result of the running around. I, of course, watch and step in where necessary. But I'm no longer a "perfect parent" and too bad. I have suspicions DC3 may be autisitic, which would explain a lot. Either way a bit of understanding never hurt anyone.

I get what you mean about the 'understanding', however I think my understanding might fly out of the window, if I was scalded by a child running into me while I'm carrying a hot coffee.

Even more so if that hot coffee scalded my child, because another child was allowed to run around the cafe.

YANBU, and I say this as the mum of two small children.
Nothing wrong with being on a tablet or whatever playing games, but there is something called common courtesy.
You don't have the sound button, you have the mute on so it's not bleeping or beeping every 5 minutes - nothing more irritating.
As you say, not everyone wants to listen to it, and might just want some peace and quiet. As for TV programmes like Peppa Pig or whatever, the kid needs earphones.

@worra, agreed. If any running is looking to be in the way of people / dangerous it is shortly terminated! Hence the disturbance when it happens is generally "jostling" / disagreement around our table accompanied by either shouting (dc not me!) or loud entertainment.

Two kids, two kids so not a lone parent struggling to cope.

worra anxiety isn't rational so whether you've seen it happen or not makes no difference.

I don't get why you'd need TV when out with children. But then I wouldn't be on mumsnet in a cafe either. It's kind of the adult equivalent.

mrsplum, sorry that your child has behavioural problems. But if your child can't hear Peppa Pig, you 'bloody well turn it up'?

How about not turning it on in the first place? Can you not have a blanket rule of 'We don't watch things with the sound on in coffee shops'?

So sick of parents asking for 'a bit of understanding' when they don't want to lay down ground rules for their offspring. Why should everyone else suck it up?

What would you do to distract your child if iPads / smartphones didn't exist? Do that.

cornish - you can mumsnet silently. It affects nobody but yourself.

It's the electronic noise that's obnoxious.

YANBU. Headphones were invented for such situations, I would have thought. It's rather antisocial to inflict Peppa Pig on everyone else in a cafe or other public place. And yes, when people do this on a plane it is even worse. No hope of escape.

You wouldn't Mumsnet in a cafe? Why on earth not? It's disturbing no one!

The choice isn't about if a child is allowed to run around around a cafe or listen to a loud tab. Disclaimer I know there is always extenuating circumstances for a minority, you generally looked stressed, worried, paying attention to your child, little hints. This is about children being allowed to behaving inappropriately for the public space they are in, loud anything or running around are not appropriate. I had no support network with two small DS, then we moved hours away, my support network didn't even include knowing where the Doctors surgery was. My DSs regularly get compliments on their good behavior. 95% of the time lazy parents.
I took my DC to the cinema for Angry birds, I don't know the plot as every time a character came on the screen a 3 yr old shouted their name and his Mum discussed the character with him, WTAF. I came out an angry bird. Time before a Mother read every bit of writing (posters, signs, menus) on the screen as her DC asked. Both mothers had clocked the intense stares from other patrons but kept going anyway and left the second the credits started rolling.

You mean they didn't read the credits out to their DC?

^ scaredycat, I had exactly the same problem at Angry Birds! . The kids who talked all the way through, at normal speaking volume, were not even that young. They looked at least 5 or 6. Mother of said kids just sat there oblivious.

First one nearly ran out Worra, she was behind us and must have heard me after mine started to squeak that 'Be quiet we are in the cinema, I don't care if those children are allowed to be rude, doesn't make it ok to join in'. Yes I know I spoke loads, but for the greater good, my dc were quiet as usual for the rest of the film. The Mother still kept talking and her son still kept kicking the back of my seat. She could probably see the steam rising from my head.

I don't blame you for steaming

At least you could move seats if you had wanted to (I get the anxiety point though).

Four hours trapped on a plane with Peppa Pig loudly in front of us. Four hours. Oink. Four hours. Oink.

My DS was entertained by a giant bag of quiet stuff and told to be quiet any time he got a bit louder. I should have said something but instead DS and I drew pictures that may or may not have had the words "Die Peppa Die" written on them.

Four hours trapped on a plane with Peppa Pig loudly in front of us. Four hours. Oink. Four hours. Oink.

We had this flying to Mexico. Neearly 5 hours of fucking Paw Patrol and the child roaring "Chase is on the case" as well as singing the bloody theme tune over and over and over again. We could hear him roaring although we had our headphones in. The cabin crew suggested there were other programmes on the inflight entertainment but no they wanted Paw Patrol. The full cabin were like . 4 and a half hours into the flight the Head Steward told them firmly to turn it off after most of the cabin complained.

Koala- Did you miss the bit when mrsplum said her child may have autism (I'm presuming too young for diagnosis). Explaining the rules of being quiet certainly wouldn't work for my own child because he doesn't understand enough and needs his own noise to cope with the noise of people talking.

No, I didn't miss that bit.

The child doesn't have to 'understand the rules of being quiet'. You just have to enforce the rules, and not allow them to watch with the volume up.

I'm not surprised your child says they can't hear it without the volume up - you would have to have it up pretty loud to make out the words in a busy cafe. Much louder than is acceptable. I just don't get it - aren't these the situations that headphones are made for?

My pet hate - and I've seen both adults and children do this on the train - is mobile games with the sounds on. They aren't actually part of the game, just annoying 'dings' and odds bits of electronic music that drive everyone else absolutely mad.

I was talking about generally being quiet. If my son is expected to put up what he finds distressing then Itching others can put up with what is merely annoying.

We had this in our local pub food chain two weeks ago - a group of 15 or so arrived with a couple of toddlers. We were at next table with our 8 and 9 year olds. Place v full and us and the big group were towards back. Within a few minutes there was Peppa Pig full blast - we could barely hear ourselves speak.
Thought they'd turn it down but no. They def were not the sort of group we felt able to say something to - I'm good at reading situations and I think it would have been risky. Waitress back and forth and didn't say a word to them. We woofed our dinner down (little choice as our kids needed to eat as we'd stopped near home after 200 mile drive and all starving), then went to pay and mention how unacceptable it was. I don't feel it was our job to say anything to customers when the restaurant was well aware of what was going on. Without being asked, the restaurant gave us our meals and drinks for free. Still would have preferred a Peppa Pig free peaceful meal that we paid for.
I was astonished that the group felt this was ok - have wondered since if IWBU in getting so cross about it that I couldn't enjoy my meal but feel more normal reading this thread!

YANBU. You can buy headphones for children that have limited volume to protect shiny new ears so there is no excuse.

My youngest daughter has a Top Trumps disability and watching stuff on her Kindle Fire has been a godsend for keeping her occupied and calm in restaurants etc. I wouldn't dream of letting her use it without headphones. Since this has always been the case, she accepts it.

I hate people playing anything audible on their devices in confined public places, it is totally different to ambient chat and laughter. Teenagers on buses are bastards for this.

No my child won't wear headphones. And no I wouldn't let her do this in a restaurant. At weekends with 2 parents in attendance to take turns going outside its not a problem. But actually I exist too and I think in a Costa equivalent once or twice a week I can have a coffee and let my child play up if behaviour isn't dangerous.
And again well done to all the smug parents. I was like you after 2 dc with all the "oh no we don't do it this way" but sadly my life is now about survival. And actually I feel enriched because of it. I am able to show a lot more empathy. To be honest when I am past this phase of life if I have to move table in a cafe due to noise, or even move cafe, I will thank God that I'm not back in this place and show the parent in question nothing but understanding.

YADNBU