To wish people would STOP saying 52% of people voted for Brexit......

[BertrandRussell]

No they didn't.

38ish% did.

That's 38%. This seismic change has been triggered by 38% of the population.

Kimonono? Are you there?

How can we just "move on" from the referendum result? Do people seriously believe that life in this country is just going to be the same with no consequences and we can all carry merrily on as if nothing had happened? Unless the government decides to ignore the result, we are all going to be hit repeatedly with the consequences of this decision. It's like telling someone they've had a serious injury, they might heal up but they probably won't, either way it's going to be both painful and difficult; but hey, never mind, they should just move on.

I'll bet if it was Bremain then there would be less discussion about the rules or the majority.

Oh, come off it. Do you seriously believe that if it had gone the other way Farage and co wouldn't be shrieking about the result and crying "Fix"? In effect, he said that that was precisely what he would do.

Farage had already said that a 52:48 vote would be "unfinished business".....

I've been enjoying RL bert

I'll give a few bert but if you wasn't so single minded maybe you could have a look for reasons too and see how people on the other side of the coin feel.

1. The EU is strangling Britain in red tape and regulations which makes it harder for small buisness to get up and going or for immigrants from NON EU countries who are highly skilled to come work for us. I have actual experience of this.

2. our courts will have the final say on what happens. So that means if an immigrant rapes somebody we can kick them the fuck out of this country instead of them getting out and doing it again.

3. My nans favourite. Slowly but surely the EU are taking more and more control over laws and treaties we would have dealt with ourselves. I'm not happy that this is happening. I don't want to live in a 'unit' or Eurostate' - Eurostate actually makes me nervous and it was being pushed by one of the many 'presidents' in Brussels. One big EuroState is something that many people faught wars to avoid .

4. we would t have to accept crap laws that we didn't choose to have because of a majority vote from other countries that we didn't even want.

5. the Euro is a fucking disaster and they are still pushing it on other new joining countries. Why would they be continually trying to flig a dead horse? They are refusing to accept its shit but are forcing it on people.

6. when I heard other countries were up for a referendum before I even voted it told me that they were unhappy too.

There are lots op you just don't think they are valid so choose to pretend that they don't exist and all leavers are uneducated racists blah blah

I'm also sure the the fishermen are now going to be over the moon as they were slaughtered by the EU didn't see any one stamping their feet then when their lively hoods were thrown in the bin

I know a lot of people who didn't voted due to being undecided about which side to vote for so felt they best to sit it out as didn't feel comfortable voting

So it don't matter how many voted , many people didn't vote for a good reason

I think 70 odd % turnout is great

Honestly who cares what that rock dweller says. Hopefully he can piss off now.

judy ripping a plaster off always hurts. But in the long term we will be better off.

It was stupid of DC to put the opportunity of a ref. On the table and not have a back up plan. Why the fuck would he /could he be so utterly blind to how a fucking huge proportion of his country feel.

When the remain posters are screeching 'well leavers what the fuck are we supposed to do now hey?' They should be really saying 'DC why the fuck did you offer this with no plan B'

He let the country down not the leavers. He was also filmed on tv saying we would be fine if we left, why that changed suddenly I don't know as you would expect him to be aware of the countries situation.

The thing is, kimonono- these are all so vague. And if I say "what red tape and regulations specifically?" and "what bad laws?" and "but we can and do deport people who commit crimes" you will presumably not want to spend time answering. Your reasons are no more specific than "to get control back"

And it it hadn't been for fishing quotas there would be no fish left to catch. And currently GB has one of the highest profit margins for fishing in Europe.

You asked for reasons so I gave you some bert why are you expecting every leaver to have an in depth explanation?and because they are not giving you one (more foot stamping) you accuse them of being uneducated. That's bullying and bigoted. Some remainers voted remain because they were scared of the Unknown - infact a hell of a lot and are leavers taking the piss over that. Or the better the devil I know reason that was given to me this morning. Or the ' they might start a war 'reason ?

Red tape shrouds our English fishermen especially in their hauls for one. They put thousands out of work, fishing men, the haulage companies that drive the fish stock, the processing plants, business men in Brussels don't care about our local communities.

Oh and a big one I see complained about on MN all the time, tax on sanitary products.

The EU refused to lower tax on sanity products. They are trying to make it a across the board 15% tax on every thing.

"You asked for reasons so I gave you some bert why are you expecting every leaver to have an in depth explanation?and because they are not giving you one (more foot stamping) you accuse them of being uneducated. That's bullying and bigoted"
Isn't it reasonable to expect people who are initiating a seismic change on behalf of an entire country to have a pretty in depth explanation for it?

And you didn't give me reasons- you gave me opinions and a factual inaccuracy.

bert so it was ok for thousands of people to be put out of work. It's ok for the EU quotas of that what ever the haulage the fishermen got - they couldn't throw back they had to keep. Regardless of what was actually in the catch - even if it was alive.

Yes it did improve stock but it wasn't the right solution and once that law had been set it wasn't able to be taken away once a better solution was found

Comparing this result to annexing Austria in 1938 (and what led on in WW2) is utterly ridiculous and rather offensive

I'm not comparing this vote to the annexation of Austria, but to the referendum voting to annex Austria. It was a free democratic vote.

As you say:

It is a democracy
The People aren't stupid and vote as they choose
Who are you to tell them the shouldn't/couldn't be trusted with that

Right?

Because 'the people' never get it wrong? They never vote for things unaware do the consequences?

'Sigh' they are my reasons bert if you choose to dismiss them that's your progative. I just gave you an example as you assume all leavers are zombies walking in a trance like state to vote. Have a good even bert Im off to get ready for an evening out.

This is interesting on CFP. And incidentally, it wasn't that that I meant by inaccuracy- it was your point about not being able to deport rapists.

Thank goodness we don't have to run our vote past you first Bert ;-)

"'Sigh' they are my reasons bert if you choose to dismiss them that's your progative."

I'm not dismissing them. I'm asking you about them. Because I don't know what "bad laws" and "red tape" you're talking about. I can't accept or dismiss something I know nothing about.

Gloria yes, you were, as the referendum led to the annexing - your point.

the vote of 'the people' is something you can have an opinion on.
you don't get to decide if it is 'wrong' or not.
you seem to have an overweening sense of your intellectual correctness on these matters and utter disdain for the intellectual capacity of 'the people'. Sure you are not a politician?

"Thank goodness we don't have to run our vote past you first Bert ;-)".

Do you really think it's OK to trigger seismic change and not be able to explain why you've done it? Really?

Yes I do. I/we do not have to explain ourselves in any way to you, or to anyone. Because having to do that involves bullying to vote the way other people might want and that is not okay. In any way. At all.

"I/we do not have to explain ourselves in any way to you, or to anyone"
Of course you don't. But you surely expect to be asked if you come on a public forum to talk about it? And if you have made a decision which impacts hugely on an almost equal number of other people then wouldn't you expect them to want to know why you made that decision? And if a lot of people who made the same decision as you made it for reasons which are at best dubious and at worst despicable, wouldn't you want to clearly and publicly disassociate yourself from those reasons?