To ask what people mean by 'educated?'

[Hopskipjump0711]

All I have seen on posts regarding the refurendum vote are people stating how 'educated' they were in their decision, versus those who weren't. I am interested to know how you define 'educated?'

Are we talking, you read a newspaper, a leaflet that came through the door and you watched Eddie Izzard vs Nigel Farage on Question Time 'educated?'
Or, you have a political degree and are a member of a party 'educated?'

It isn't just snobbishness - there is a genuine correlation between voting remain and being educated to the level of higher education (university level).

Obviously correlation does not equal causation, but it is certainly true that "less educated" people (i.e. those without a degree) were more likely to vote out than "more educated" people.

Yes, there is a correlation, and yes that means it is true that "less educated" people were more likely to vote out. Stating it as fact would be fine. What I have issue with is people stating it as if means something more. Ie, the dumb people are the ones who voted out. Not having a degree makes someone less educated but not less intelligent.

It means nothing and is justs used to stop debate.

I voted remain but an utterly appalled at some remainers today.

My uncle was a bin man, he is now 50 and works in a similar job but higher up and gets a high wage. He left school at 15, he is classed as uneducated. He knows more about politics that most politicians.

No one tests people to see how clued up they are on the issues

It's being used as an insult in the referendum debate. Instead you're meant to be 'ordinary and decent' like farage.

To me it doesn't necessarily correlate to which way you voted but it does mean being able to pick apart arguments and see through the emotional spin. To give an example I've seen many claims on FB etc that we will be "taking back our country" and blaming the EU for all kinds of things ranging from health and safety laws, letting in too many immigrants, reducing RE in schools, not being able to smack your children to the inflation of the 1970s.

By mixing these issues together, conflating them with EU membership and harping back to this pie in the sky golden age pre-EU is simplistic and emotional, and indicates you haven't really educated yourself about the issue at hand.

The level of education I would have liked people to have had would have been PHD level/high level experience in foreign policy/international finance/international law. I would like them to have read or been advised by people who had read pages and pages and reams and reams of information, and then I would like them to have compared and discussed various scenarios and drawn up plans accordingly. You know, experts.

Instead we had a referendum.

'Educated' means 'agrees with me' in that if anyone doesn't agree with me, they're not, you know, bad people - just they haven't been taught properly.

Gove is tired of listening to experts merrymouse.

Educated does not necessarily equate to intelligence.

Educated does not necessarily equate to being informed.

Also it means avoiding commercial television. Anything on there is uneducated. Getting your information from the beeb is educated.

Educated to me means PHD

I know some right dummies with degrees 😂

I voted Remain but have been very disappointed and shocked by the reaction on social media from fellow remain-ers..the implication that the less educated, intelligent etc shouldn't have been allowed to vote as they didn't understand the issue fully Well, I don't believe any of us understand the issues involved & potential consequences fully ..I don't believe it should have gone to a referendum , but here we are, the people have spoken, democracy in action- now we all have to move forwards.

It means southerners are sneering at you in all honesty
I've lived down south for two decades, I'm from north of Birmingham (as is my h) we have wolvo accents
We are both degree educated, my husband has a 1st class Hons and two msc. He's actually within the top of his skilled engineering field
We are both still spoken to like we are stupid.
We were both brought up wc and still heavily involved with our working class families. We still have family that live in social housing.
Open your gob down south and have a 'northern' accent, 9 out of 10 people will judge you before they know your skills or capabilities.
England is full (in the south anyway) of vain snobs who are no better educated than the rest of the country. They just think they are

Most if them never leave the home counties or south east apart from going abroad on holiday. The rest of you may as well not exist yet they love starting you as thick wc etc when they are no better than you themselves

I don't really care if this offends people tbh

I get up every day, keep a clean house as my mil would say. I love and nurture my family and I treat everyone I meet with the same kindness I'd like to receive myself. I care about all people, whoever they are. I stop to help people.
Otoh I have a severely disabled child and most ppl walk on by. They don't care, they tut, their vanity takes over.

I'm done.

I'm moving to rural Wales and to fuck with all of you

Being more highly educated than someone else DOES NOT mean you are necessarily more intelligent.

There are many people with degrees and higher who actually have no idea about what it is like to live in the real world, with little money or opportunity and for all their 'intelligence' they are actually very out of touch.

majority of people will not have degrees etc, so don't flatter yourselves, that all remains are 'educated', there are many reasons for people voting the way they did.

nice one owl totally with you, some people need to get their heads out of their back sides.

I also think that many posters forget or don't realise that it wasn't that long ago the a university education was not the norm, i left school in 1979 when 5 o levels put you in the top 15% education wise.
The likes of my mum was grammar school educated and still left at 15, my dad left school at 12 in Cyprus.

I was a Remainer but I winced and continue to do so at the insults against Leavers of some of my fellows.

Chiefly was 'but Polish people are really hard working and do the things that British people don't want to do'.

Not only is it patronising - I'm quite sure they do doctors, engineers and physicists in Poland and many other EU countries along with potato pickers and painters - but it was also uneducated and unimaginative.

If you are in a semi-skilled or unskilled job you fear people undercutting you for wages and working conditions. That's not bad; it's a fact of life. I'm highly skilled but not university educated and even I know that.

*Educated to me means PHD

I know some right dummies with degrees 😂*

I know some right dummies with PhDs!

Educated in this context means that you've critically read around the subject and can make an informed decision based on the synthesis of that information.

Given that these are all skills learned at BSc / MSc level study it wouldn't be surprising that there is a correlation but that doesn't mean that if you aren't educated to that level, you can't be educated. My husband has a diploma and is far cleverer and more well read than me (and I'm studying for a PhD!)

I know some right dummies with degrees

And I know some right dummies without them. Envy doesn't get us anywhere.

Neither does tiresome North/South divide

Totally subjective - educated generally is different to having "educated yourself" about the referendum. I felt I was both and it infuriates me when people just vote with a stab in the dark (either way!). But hey, democracy.

If you believe Owllady you wouldn't believe working class people exist south of Birmingham. I don't know about educated, but that's what I'd call ignorant.

I've said this on another thread but what I can't get my head around is remainers sneering about this £350m which is 'never going to go into the NHS' while simultaneously asking me to believe that disbanding the monarchy would result in more money for public services...

I do, to an extent, understand (some of) the remainers position on this. Some have voted without being fully educated on the issues. But that's democracy for you.

Oh... And I have a degree from a RG University in a STEM subject... And still found it hard to educate myself on this referendum.