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AIBU to think I wasn't rude?

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lalalalyra · 01/06/2016 18:06

I have a 3 week old baby so I'm aware I may be being a bit hormonal, but I'm seriously tempted to put my foot down over a friendship Ds2 (8yo) has because I'm growing to really dislike the child's mother.

I'm 38, I have 6 children from 17-3 weeks. So far I've managed not to kill, maim, permanantly misplace or seriously traumatise any of them - the teens are a bit iffy atm as they found my teenage Greece holiday photos in a box last week and apparently seeing your clearly drunk mother on a bucking bronco in a club is 'sooooo sad and embarassing' but I'm sure they'll get over it. My kids are happy and healthy and I've working fucking hard to make sure my issues with my parents (they were neglectful and abusive so I ended up being brought up by my grandparents from 7) don't impact them negatively in any way.

DS has a new friend. New friend's mother is a counsellor. Someone else (I'm not sure who and I'll be having words when I find out) has mentioned to her that I'm seeing a counsellor atm after a massive fallout with my siblings when our father died. New friend's mother has taken to commenting on every single decision I make about DS and what he's allowed or not allowed to do and trying to analyse it in terms on my past. I see her every day at the moment when I take DS to playscheme, once school is back I'll see her twice a week at activities. I won't see her at the school gate as DS walks himself - a decision I've apparently made as seeing children being met at the gate by their parents is obviously painful for me as I was never met at the gate by mine.

I've said to her twice that I don't dwell on the past. I've also said twice, politely, that I would never mix social crowd with counselling so I'm quite happy with my own counsellor, but she's still going on. Everything is a thing and today the boys asked if they could go to an adventure place after the playscheme. I said no because it's the kind of place we'd go as a family if we were going and we'd done something DS wanted to do yesterday so today I'd promised DD3 we'd do feet painting. This apparently (because yesterday's choice by DS was at home) suggests that I'm nervous about my children being around strangers and I lack confidence. I, admittedly rather abruptly, told her I didn't lack confidence, I just don't feel the need to say yes to everything DS asks and I'd rather she stopped trying to analyse me when she knows nothing about me or my past. We then left as I didn't want to discuss it any further and I didn't want a scene at playscheme because I'm actually the chairperson.

She's mentioned to a committee member that she's concerned about me because it's not like me to be rude! I'm now bloody livid. Any suggestions of polite, but firm ways to tell her to back the fuck off? I've enough on my plate as DH goes back to work next week and that means he's away for 10 days and my new HV is humming and hawwing about 'lack of support' even though I'm fine, baby is thriving and my PIL are a great support and 5 minutes away. I get that people are nice, but no-one was bloody concerned when I was on crutches and barely able to walk with SPD and had 5 kids, I've now got the ability to walk and a newborn who luckily has taken to BFing like a dream and is considerably less work than the pain of SPD!

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ExtraHotLatteToGo · 02/06/2016 01:54

Oh and if LittleMissNumber6 needs rehoming, I'll pm you my number - just to help DS out you understand. Nothing at all to do with being broody and wanting to sniff all that newness 😁

Baconyum · 02/06/2016 02:19

Hopefully that means she's taken the hint to back the fuck off and stfu! And yes I'd be having serious words with whichever twat told her! And never speaking to THEM again as they clearly can't be trusted!

Do you really need a hv for baby 6?!

I'm in awe of you.

I too think she's done 6 week weekend online course and thinks she's got it nailed!

I've worked in mh and have dx myself I have never heard of a counsellor behaving like this! Utterly inappropriate, especially in front of strangers/dc, unethical and unprofessional!

clarrrp · 02/06/2016 02:30

I would tell her straight out that you have a counsellor already that you are working with for something not related to your children or motherhood, which you are just fine with, and that her trying to fill that role when she doesn't know the issue or the history is making you feel uncomfortable and awkward and you would rather keep dealing with the person you have been working with, but thank her for her concern and advise her that she really shouldn't have made a judgement or assumption about what you were seeing someone for, but that her getting involved was stressful and unprofessional.

I know it's frustrating, but there's no need to be rude about it if you have to see this woman a lot. I hope she backs off.

DoctorBeat · 02/06/2016 02:42

She is behaving massively inappropriately and overstepping boundaries. Sounds like there have been some serious breaches in confidentiality too?!

MatrixReloaded · 02/06/2016 02:53

Whether she's a counsellor or not is totally irrelevant.

What your actually dealing with is a school gate mum who is a a do gooding gossiper. It doesn't matter whether she's a waitress or a counsellor. In my experience people like this can be very dangerous. She sounds desperate for someone to rescue and considering she's already decided you have a range of issues I would be very concerned indeed.

Some people will actually listen to their allegations / concerns. I would inform people at playgroup about what's going on and also your health visitor.

SlinkyVagabond · 02/06/2016 03:15

Is she after your (voluntary) job?
I'd say everything that others have suggested and include a Paddington hard stare with "Do you do all your "counselling" in front of an audience?"

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 02/06/2016 04:12

If she's a professional counsellor then god help her clients! Inappropriate, unprofessional, crossing boundaries - she wouldn't have qualified if her tutors knew she was doing all those things.

Hopefully your text will have worked, but if it hasn't, or she's not actually a professional counsellor, then you'll need to be more upfront still.

As a matter of interest, I used to work with someone who had "qualified" as a life coach as part of her business degree. They did a module on it, or something. She was the WORST person imaginable to be any kind of counsellor/life coach, as she had no concept of boundaries, professionalism, was a complete stickybeak and totally dictatorial in giving advice on "what you should do" - none of which tallies with being a properly trained life-coach. This woman might be in the same category.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 02/06/2016 05:00

I did a weeks course in group facilitation. And a two day course in coaching, but run by a counselling body.

I feel rather more qualified than this gossipy nightmare. In fact maybe it's time for a career change Wink.

This type of person tends to be oblivious to all but her own terribly important thoughts (aka jumbled assumptions, prejudice and bias mixed together with a smidgen of patronizing concern). Your text sounds polite yet with no space to misinterpret and twist it. It's good to assert your boundaries before she latches onto you any more. Ugh!

Congrats on lovely baby. Disguises naked envy for a merry (polite name for loud!) band of children. Cake for everyone.

LellyMcKelly · 02/06/2016 05:47

And she should absolutely not be discussing her perception of your behaviour with someone else. Her behaviour is the equivalent of a hairdresser trying to cut people's hair in the playground. I wouldn't tolerate that and I sure as hell wouldn't appreciate someone trying to analyse me. Her behaviour is unprofessional and inappropriate. I wouldn't text her, but if she starts again I would say 'Thank you for your interest in me, though it clearly oversteps the boundaries of our casual friendship and you are coming across as unprofessional. I think you are pushing for a counsellor-client relationship with me, and that clearly is inappropriate,.

insancerre · 02/06/2016 06:35

Had any reply yet op?

hippydippybaloney · 02/06/2016 06:53

Congratulations!

Completely inappropriate. I am horrified that she's confusing your ability to stand up for yourself and confidence to point out that this is not ok with something negative. She should consider applying for a refund from the website she ordered her 'qualification' from.

TestingTestingWonTooFree · 02/06/2016 06:54

I'm amazed that three weeks in to baby 6 you're able to do any voluntary work. Good for you!

Hopefully your text while sort her out. I would be sure to correct the gossip on this. She's bound to be talking to other people about you. They should have her complete lack of boundaries underlined.

Becky546 · 02/06/2016 07:05

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Shakey15000 · 02/06/2016 07:20

OP, just wanted to say that I know where you're coming from with being at the school gates. My Mum picked me up ONCE, so it's emotional for me also.

I hope she backs off Flowers

ProfYaffle · 02/06/2016 07:21

Agree with pp that she sounds like someone who's done a small amount of training and thinks she knows it all. I've got a friend who's training to be a therapist of some sort and keeps attempting to analyse me, her conclusions are always wide of the mark. Fortunately she's taken the hint from my Hmm faces and stopped it now.

Well done on sending the text, hope it works.

cozietoesie · 02/06/2016 07:36

She sounds as if she needs more than a little counselling herself! Grin

AlpacaPicnic · 02/06/2016 07:49

I'm going to tell you to do something that I always wheel out on occasions where someone has to deal with an unbearably rude person in the hope that one day somebody does it!

Carry a small squirty bottle of water. Whenever she offers you unsolicited 'advice' or 'interpretations' just pull out the bottle, squirt her in the face and say NO in a firm, loud voice.

Basically, treat her like a naughty kitten.

MustStopAndThinkBeforePosting · 02/06/2016 07:52

AlpacaPicnic - best suggestion yet. Grin

MrFMercury · 02/06/2016 07:53

Congratulations on your new baby :)
I'm a psychotherapist. What she's doing is inappropriate full stop but doubly so if she is actually qualified and doing it 'professionally'. It doesn't matter if she's newly qualified or not, I wouldn't have got on to my course if I thought this sort of behaviour was ok. So either she's not qualified or she knows that she shouldn't behave in this manner.
If she does carry on ask her which professional body she is a member of because if she's qualified she will be a member of one. The most common is BACP but there are others. Tell her you will be making a complaint for unethical behaviour.
We aren't allowed to work with people we know for good reason. I'm lucky that none of my friends ever try to use me as their therapist and wouldn't appreciate me trying to counsel them either. Quite apart from anything else, trying to treat everyone as a client must be exhausting and very isolating. We do so much work during our training on boundaries, did she sleep through it all?!

lalalalyra · 02/06/2016 08:08

No reply yet.

And sorry if I confused, I am the chair of the playscheme, but yesterday I was collecting DS2. I'm most definately not back working/helping yet!

slinky I don't think she's after my job [no-one is ever after it - I've been happy to hand over to someone else for years!]. She's too busy to volunteer in any capacity.

extra I shall let DS know he has someone to help him out if DD gets too much for him - such a kind soul you are Grin

Thanks everyone. It's handy to have somewhere to rant. Most of my friends I can talk too are either linked to school/playscheme/kids so I don't want to involve them too much or related to me/DH and are very defensive of me when it comes to the past/people raking it up so wouldn't be at all impartial and sometimes it's nice to know I'm NBU from people who'd tell me if I was being.

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lalalalyra · 02/06/2016 08:09

Alpaca I would love to see someone carry out your suggestion to a rude person Grin

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Janecc · 02/06/2016 08:23

I was once approached by a school mother telling me she'd help out with counselling DD. We were going through a difficult time and DD was struggling emotionally to cope with my illness as I was really poorly at the time. This woman has no boundaries and likely got her qualifications from the back of a cereal pack. She drives the teacher insane and is possibly the strangest person I know. Needless to say I refused on more than one occasion and gave her a wide berth. Our dds are friends but not close thank goodness. The irony is she isn't a great parent, I feel sorry for her DD - I can see her neglecting her dds emotional needs, not purposefully, just clueless.

Well done for standing up to her op. All very awkward, and needlessly so.

YorkieDorkie · 02/06/2016 08:55

Tell her that her lack of a reply is clearly a deep-seated need for praise and attention. Her inability to accept criticism is due to the pressure she was under to achieve as an adolescent.

See, we can all sound like know-it-all twats.

AlpacaPicnic · 02/06/2016 10:48

Thank you Lala and Muststop

MiscellaneousAssortment · 02/06/2016 12:38

If you meet her again (assuming she doesn't avoid you and hide behind pillars etc!), I'd have a few ultra firm and patronizing phrases to hand which will put her firmly in her place.

I find it difficult to deal with people that assert their authority over people by sheer arrogance and egoism. A few good phrases tends to help!

Eg in reply to any pretense at manipulating you into a counselling dynamic you could refuse to engage with her saying 'ahhh, (head tilt), so how far through your training are you?', 'have you been able to attain /get accredited by X yet?', 'ah well, they do have very high standards' etc.

Or just squirt with water Grin

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