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To think it's unfair to blame the mother of child hurt by gorilla?

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pinkladyapple · 30/05/2016 22:02

Yes if she was holding his hand maybe he wouldn't have ended up in the enclosure. But he could have gone over/through the fence in a split second. And the zoo should have fencing which makes this impossible, surely?

The parents aren't being prosecuted for negligence and yet the Internet seem angry at the mother.

But then the people who think that also seem to think a tranquilliser works instantly, and the gorilla wouldn't react to the pain or impact of the dart.

It's sad and terrible though. For everyone.

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Mrsfrumble · 01/06/2016 00:43

It was a freak accident which needed a specific set of circumstances (poorly fenced enclosure, parent distracted for a second, child wanting a closer look, drop disguised by hedge, crowd very noisy, gorilla unable to be tempted away from child etc) to happen. Just because that exact set of circumstances never occurred before doesn't automatically mean anyone is at fault.

Yes yes to this excellent post by MyNewBear (who I cross-posted with because I'm such a slow typist. The author of the Washington Post article I mentioned before called it "Swiss Cheese theory", where all the holes have to line up for a horrible, tragic accident to happen. Because it's so rare that the circumstances DO align, we can convince ourselves that it will never happen to us because we're vigilant, decent parents.

I'm in the USA, and much of the commentary I've seen making unpleasant assumptions about the mother plays up to racist stereotypes that are sadly still too common here.

Fruitypebbles · 01/06/2016 01:04

I'm not saying that the zoo did the wrong thing, but some of these comments are disgusting. An animal was murdered, not 'exterminated'. An animal the world is severely lacking in because of humans. You could be a little more respectful of the life that was lost and I hope the parents responsible feel awful for the fact that an animal died because of their negligence. Yeah, four year olds can go far, but wouldn't you notice him being out of your sight? It's so easy to lose a child at a zoo. And apparently the break in fencing was behind foliage.

EttaJ · 01/06/2016 01:29

Frumble, where on earth are you getting racist comments from? You're talking nonsense inmho

Wetbankhols I agree with your take on it.

Mrsfrumble · 01/06/2016 01:43

On local news sites here in the southern USA. I've seen a few explicitly racist ones, but I'm more troubled by comments along the lines of the boy's life being worth less than the gorilla's, and the assumption that the boy's mother was alone (because of the stereotype of black single mothers, when the father was actually there too) and was lazy and ineffectual.

You're welcome to your opinion that I'm talking nonsense, but sadly I often see insidiously racist stereotypes in "below the line" comments on news sites and social media here. Perhaps not surprising given that people in this state actually gathered together and lined the road waving Confederate flags at President Obama's motorcade when he visited last year.

Nataleejah · 01/06/2016 06:20

Some lunatics will always try and bring race into this.
Now i think i'd hate to be that kid. To grow up knowing that my bratty behaviour caused such a tragedy.

petitpois55 · 01/06/2016 08:05

I cannot believe the parents of this boy allowed this to happen. I blame them entirely. Zoos are not playgrounds. I feel really sad that this magnificent animal has been sacrificed.
I saw the mother interviewed. She comes across like an utter twunt.

NickiFury · 01/06/2016 09:14

mrsfrumble you made perfect sense and I agree.

Have been reading this morning that the child was actually three not four.

AlanPacino · 01/06/2016 09:24

an animal was murderedyou can't legally murder an animal can you?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 01/06/2016 10:31

You can't legally murder an animal can you?

You can't, no ... and what on earth's this about folk holding vigils outside the zoo?? I'm as sorry as everyone else that this magnificent animal was killed, but vigils??

Their choice of course, but the words "emotional incontinence" spring to mind

kali110 · 01/06/2016 11:08

So what if people want to hold vigils?
An endangered animal was killed when it didn't need to be. ( i support thT it was likely the only decision that could be taken however i'm appalled it even happened in the first place).
Maybe if more people cared like this people wouldn't treat animals as if they were disposable.

blaeberry · 01/06/2016 11:17

I would say the zoo is definitely to blame - the enclosures are not to keep animals in - they are to keep animals and visitors safely apart and they failed to do this. It is entirely foreseeable that if you explicitly invite young families into your zoo then there will be times when you children will not be fully under their parents immediate control. It doesn't matter what the parents should have done that fact that it is foreseeable means the zoo should have made the enclosure child-proof. Once the child was in the enclosure with an interested gorilla then the gorilla had to be shot to protect the child. The zoo failed the child and the gorilla.

Oly5 · 01/06/2016 11:22

Brilliant post on Facebook from somebody who actually knows how these animals behave:
I am going to try to clear up a few things that have been weighing on me about Harambe and the Cinci Zoo since I read the news this afternoon.
I have worked with Gorillas as a zookeeper while in my twenties (before children) and they are my favorite animal (out of dozens) that I have ever worked closely with. I am gonna go ahead and list a few facts, thoughts and opinions for those of you that aren't familiar with the species itself, or how a zoo operates in emergency situations.

Now Gorillas are considered 'gentle giants' at least when compared with their more aggressive cousins the chimpanzee, but a 400+ pound male in his prime is as strong as roughly 10 adult humans. What can you bench press? OK, now multiply that number by ten. An adult male silverback gorilla has one job, to protect his group. He does this by bluffing or intimidating anything that he feels threatened by.

Gorillas are considered a Class 1 mammal, the most dangerous class of mammals in the animal kingdom, again, merely due to their size and strength. They are grouped in with other apes, tigers, lions, bears, etc.
While working in an AZA accredited zoo with Apes, keepers DO NOT work in contact with them. Meaning they do NOT go in with these animals. There is always a welded mesh barrier between the animal and the humans.
In more recent decades, zoos have begun to redesign enclosures, removing all obvious caging and attempting to create a seamless view of the animals for the visitor to enjoy watching animals in a more natural looking habitat. this is great until little children begin falling into exhibits which of course can happen to anyone, especially in a crowded zoo-like setting.

I have watched this video over again, and with the silverback's postering, and tight lips, it's pretty much the stuff of any keeper's nightmares, and I have had MANY while working with them. This job is not for the complacent. Gorillas are kind, curious, and sometimes silly, but they are also very large, very strong animals. I always brought my OCD to work with me. checking and rechecking locks to make sure my animals and I remained separated before entering to clean.

I keep hearing that the Gorilla was trying to protect the boy. I do not find this to be true. Harambe reaches for the boys hands and arms, but only to position the child better for his own displaying purposes.
Males do very elaborate displays when highly agitated, slamming and dragging things about. Typically they would drag large branches, barrels and heavy weighted balls around to make as much noise as possible. Not in an effort to hurt anyone or anything (usually) but just to intimidate. It was clear to me that he was reacting to the screams coming from the gathering crowd.

Harambe was most likely not going to separate himself from that child without seriously hurting him first (again due to mere size and strength, not malicious intent) Why didn't they use treats? well, they attempted to call them off exhibit (which animals hate), the females in the group came in, but Harambe did not. What better treat for a captive animal than a real live kid!
They didn't use Tranquilizers for a few reasons, A. Harambe would've taken too long to become immobilized, and could have really injured the child in the process as the drugs used may not work quickly enough depending on the stress of the situation and the dose B. Harambe would've have drowned in the moat if immobilized in the water, and possibly fallen on the boy trapping him and drowning him as well.
Many zoos have the protocol to call on their expertly trained dart team in the event of an animal escape or in the event that a human is trapped with a dangerous animal. They will evaluate the scene as quickly and as safely as possible, and will make the most informed decision as how they will handle the animal.
I can't point fingers at anyone in this situation, but we need to really evaluate the safety of the animal enclosures from the visitor side. Not impeding that view is a tough one, but there should be no way that someone can find themselves inside of an animal's exhibit.
I know one thing for sure, those keepers lost a beautiful, and I mean gorgeous silverback and friend. I feel their loss with them this week. As educators and conservators of endangered species, all we can do is shine a light on the beauty and majesty of these animals in hopes to spark a love and a need to keep them from vanishing from our planet. Child killers, they are not. It's unfortunate for the conservation of the species, and the loss of revenue a beautiful zoo such as Cinci will lose. tragedy all around.

*me working (very carefully) with a 400+ pound silverback circa 2009

Thurlow · 01/06/2016 11:23

I saw that, Oly, and it does deserve to be shared.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 01/06/2016 11:33

"It was clear to me that he was reacting to the screams coming from the gathering crowd"

This is something I'd wondered about myself ... does anyone know if the screamers were actually moved away, and if so at what point?

kali110 · 01/06/2016 11:33

Yes two polar beers escaped but not the same thing, someone left an enclsure door open, so not like they broke free Grin

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bakeoffcake · 01/06/2016 13:28

It's all very well boring vigils but where are these people when hundreds and thousands of endangered species are killed every year by mankind? Just because it's on their doorstep they try to have a go at someone trying to save the life of a child.

And I sincerely hope they don't ever eat anything with palm oil in it.

EttaJ · 01/06/2016 13:33

Petitions and Natalee I think you're spot on . Iggi you're just plain rude and should grow up.

EttaJ · 01/06/2016 13:34

Petitpois not petitions 😊

DollyTwat · 01/06/2016 13:40

You don't think two polar bears being allowed to escape (they didn't pick the lock themselves) isn't an indication of the careless attitude of the zoo?

I think it shows negligence that is probably systemic at this zoo.

HelenaDove · 01/06/2016 13:45

Puzzled i think there is a good point there. If you look at the footage of Jambo from Jersey Zoo in 1986 where the boy fell in the enclosure the crowd was a lot quieter and calmer.

Mrsfrumble · 01/06/2016 18:21

If you have been affected by a gorilla tragedy, please leave your comment below. If you have not been affected by a gorilla tragedy, do not let that stop you.

Twirlywooo that article is a work of genius!

Grin Grin

Nataleejah · 01/06/2016 18:22

And that is supposed to be funny? Hmm

DixieNormas · 01/06/2016 18:24

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