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AIBU to think this man was a selfish twat

81 replies

NeedACleverNN · 22/05/2016 12:43

A man climbed into a lion enclosure and encouraged the lions to attack him in order to try and commit suicide

This resulted in two lions being shot in order to save the mans life and a lot of traumatised people, including children, who witnessed it

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/22/two-zoo-lions-shot-and-killed-after-mauling-suicidal-naked-man

Before anyone starts ranting iabu because he could have had mental problems, I understand that. But I still think he was a selfish idiot

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HermioneJeanGranger · 23/05/2016 09:46

Eggy I only know that 'cause I've watched loads of repeats of Animal Rescue Houston on Animal Planet! Grin

KnitsBakesAndReads · 23/05/2016 09:51

YABU. Someone who is so unwell they've acted in this way isn't capable of rational thought so their actions can't be deemed selfish.

I could understand if someone thought the zoo staff were unreasonable in their actions but I've no idea if they had any alternative or if this was the only course of action they had available.

molyholy · 23/05/2016 10:04

YABU. That poor man. You can't begin to imagine what was going on inside his head to drive him to do this. A human life IS more important than an animals life IN MY OPINION. So please don't all flame me as it is my opinion. Makes me laugh at how hypocritical people are showing all this concern for lions, elephants etc., but couldn't give a flying fuck where their meat that they buy from the supermarket, comes from.

TheSockGoblin · 23/05/2016 10:10

YABVU.

Knockmesideways · 23/05/2016 10:12

I think the 'selfish' label is unfair - anyone who tries to commit suicide, as many have pointed out, don't usually think rationally about the people who find them.

But, I must admit, if I were one of the parents whose children had witnessed that, I don't think I'd be quite so understanding. They are the ones who have to try to explain what was in the mind of someone who tried to die in so violent a manner, they're the ones who have to deal with the nightmares or trauma or questions.

It's easy to stand back and think 'selfish vs ill' but when you're in the thick of it - whether it's as the person trying to end their life/cry for help, or as an unwilling witness, it's not so clear cut. My DH best friend committed suicide by hanging. He went to a field a long way from home to save his family the pain. Of course, he caused pain, untold trauma and guilt for the farmer who found him (who told the police that, if only he'd checked the field earlier he'd have saved him. He's had to try to live with that guilt even though it was never his fault and no-one ever 'blamed' him. If it hadn't been his field, it would have been somewhere else).

My heart goes out to both the man's family (who now have to try to help him pick up the pieces) and to the families who witnessed it (who also have pieces to pick up).

If you're going to keep animals locked up, then make sure the locks (cages) are keeping them in and others out.

eatsleephockeyrepeat · 23/05/2016 10:20

Well you are are you aren't; BU that is.

There are two things here, being selfish and doing something selfish. Undoubtedly this guys did something selfish and twattish. People don't often make the distinction when just talking casually so it's not unreasonable for you to say of this "this guy was a selfish twat", implying he acted like one.

Now IS HE a selfish twat? Usually I'd say selfish is as selfish does, but actually mental illness really does make you do things that are not who you are, and your responsibility for those things is diminished in virtue of the fact that you are ill - and you would not be doing them were you not.

I think it's entirely fair to say this guy acted like a selfish twat. I don't think it helps to shy away from the net effect of your behaviour on account of mental illness, just to make sure it properly attributed to the disease. I found it was only when I realised my behaviour could stop being "not my fault" and could be something I took control of that I started being able to beat mental illness. But that's only my experience and I don't expect it to be universal.

MyBreadIsEggy · 23/05/2016 10:28

Hermione everyday is a school day on mumsnet! Grin

imwithspud · 23/05/2016 10:28

Jesus, comments on Facebook claiming they should have shot the man, not the lions. What would that have achieved? People still would have had to witness the lions mauling him to deathConfused

Piemernator · 23/05/2016 10:36

My Grandfather committed suicide due to PTSD though undiagnosed due to his experiences in WWII as a soldier. It has of course affected my Mother who was 15 at the time and is now almost 90.

But it is monumentally shit to call someone who is so distressed they would rather die selfish.

Who knows when something could trigger an episode of MH issues in any of us.

Shakirawannabe · 23/05/2016 11:21

Poverty I take no notice of an opinion of someone that can't even spell a name

PurpleDaisies · 23/05/2016 11:32

shakira if you're going to start criticising people for their spelling you should take a look at your own posts. Affect and effect are not the same.

Shakirawannabe · 23/05/2016 11:47

Lol purple did you just go back and read through all my posts to try and pick a fault I'm Blushfor you

PurpleDaisies · 23/05/2016 11:52

No-look at my reply to you at 22.23pm yesterday. I corrected it there. It isn't nice to pull people up on their spelling or grammar and it generally shows you're not capable of producing an argument based on the issues. I only brought yours up because of your response to poverty. You're not coming across very well here.

Shakirawannabe · 23/05/2016 11:58

I don't care how I come across on here, I'm stating an opinion and people need to accept it or move on

StableButDeluded · 23/05/2016 12:05

Nobody has to accept your opinion, Shakira.
This is a discussion forum. People can discuss it, but they don't have to accept it.

MrsSpecter · 23/05/2016 13:45

Surely a zoo that houses those kind of animals has the equipment to tranquilize

Yes, they did try to and the dart went into the man instead of the lion. Bearing in mind the lion was moving quite a lot and the man attached to him it would be a tricky thing to get right.

SuperFlyHigh · 23/05/2016 22:09

I think the man was selfish yes even if he was suicidal.

SuperFlyHigh · 23/05/2016 22:10

He had enough rational thought to break into the roof of the lions den, undress, antagonise and taunt the lions so although suicidal must have had some lucidity there.

MrsSpecter · 23/05/2016 22:13

He had enough rational thought to break into the roof of the lions den, undress, antagonise and taunt the lions

Confused you think any of that was rational?

PurpleDaisies · 23/05/2016 22:18

He had enough rational thought to break into the roof of the lions den, undress, antagonise and taunt the lions

Just read that back to yourself and ask yourself if that sounds like a description of someone in their right mind.

Dawndonnaagain · 23/05/2016 22:19

He had enough rational thought to break into the roof of the lions den, undress, antagonise and taunt the lions so although suicidal must have had some lucidity there.
Are you fucking serious? Which bit of that was rational thought? None of it.

sparepantsandtoothbrush · 23/05/2016 22:21

It's so easy to pick out the posters who have no experience of mental health issues...

imwithspud · 23/05/2016 23:08

Superfly read your post back, does what you describe sound like the actions of a mentally well individual?Confused

lotbyname · 23/05/2016 23:30

Poor everybody; him, lions, bystanders, and the poor zookeepers who had to shoot lions they knew and loved.

That's no good judgement there so yes YABU :(

lotbyname · 23/05/2016 23:33

Sparepants (best name!!) I've no experience of MH but I am consistently amazed by people's inability to place themselves in other's shoes.

I struggle to think how awful i'd be feeling to take all my clothes off in a non-sanctioned public place, nevermind the lions!!!
I know empathy is on the decline and all but wooo!