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Mother sues for £20k for being discouraged from bf while the wave machine was on

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sizeofalentil · 02/05/2016 12:54

Daily Mirror link to the story here.

I'm totally for breastfeeding wherever and whenever, but I wouldn't want to eat my sandwiches in a swimming pool - they are so germy, like a human soup, so not sure a swimming pool with a wave machine on would be the best place to bf. Plus, obviously in this case there was the waves.

I realise that getting out of the water, especially if she had other kids, with a hungry baby would be a massive faff, but wouldn't the wave machine splash the baby and make it choke?

Serious question: AIBU to think this? Is bf in a swimming pool a done thing? Genuinely curious.

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Flashbangandgone · 15/05/2016 20:25

Even if it could be demonstrated there was some discrimination here, it doesn't follow that suing is appropriate.... It's utterly disproportionate!

mathanxiety · 15/05/2016 20:27

if an action is deemed so serious by someone that they seek damages against an organisation, you can't blame an individual for being concerned about the legal ramifications for themselves if they did something similar!

Yes you can.
You would have to be incredibly stupid not to know the difference.
If you understood the topic of discrimination, you would not claim there is some double standard.

And you would have to be determined to paint women who understand the law and know their rights as some sort of shrieking harpies to imply that members of the public going about their business would be in danger of being sued.

Jasonandyawegunorts · 15/05/2016 20:27

Ok now I really think math is the woman. She has continued protesting all week and has come up with answers that were not even in the article. She seems to have inside information

4 more hours and we get a birthday cake.

Jasonandyawegunorts · 15/05/2016 20:29

You would have to be incredibly stupid not to know the difference.

Okay what is the difference?

you would have to be determined to paint women who understand the law and know their rights as some sort of shrieking harpies to imply that members of the public going about their business would be in danger of being sued.

I hope this woman isn't you, becuase you don't know or understand the law.

Jasonandyawegunorts · 15/05/2016 20:30

Would you like to explain Math?

MangoMoon · 15/05/2016 20:44

too shy or insecure*

Lord, what delicate flowers we seem to think women are...*

*...unless of course they are too militant. That sort of woman lets all the rest of us down.

It's perfectly acceptable to be a woman who depends on the kindness of strangers but woe betide a woman who doesn't need a chair, or one who knows she has a right not to get up from where she is and accept the 'offer' of one, or of a separate room.

Women seem to walk a fine line here.*

Math, you bitch about people not reading stuff and then you blatantly skim read & selectively quote where it suits your agenda.

FFS, as I clearly stated I asked Train Blogger lady why she didn't ask for a seat instead of sitting on the floor, taking a sad-face pic and blogging about it.
She replied to me that she doesn't like to ask - it appears she's not the only one.

As for women being militant 'let's us all down' what a amazing extrapolation.
Militancy is a double edged sword, whatever the cause and whatever the sex - whilst some may applaud it, others are turned right off and even against a cause following militant action.

Jasonandyawegunorts · 15/05/2016 20:47

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mathanxiety · 15/05/2016 21:07

I don't bitch, unless you think anyone disagreeing with your take on things is bitching, in which case, guilty..

mathanxiety · 15/05/2016 21:09

Jason, wondering what part of 'shallow area', 'where parents can sit and watch children play' you don't understand?

Jasonandyawegunorts · 15/05/2016 21:17

Jason, wondering what part of 'shallow area', 'where parents can sit and watch children play' you don't understand?

Whaaaaaa?
I understand "shallow area" "wondering" "watch" "Play" "understand" "Don't"

But what does this have to do with anything? Where the chairs there? Were you there? As i said above, what if noone else was in the shallow bit, wouldn't sending her there be isolating her under your own logic?

what if the other people had got out and were by the side of the pool where the chair was. What if the shallow bit was over crowded causing the water to rise?

Did the moon hit your eye like a big pizza pie?

what's a moray
What if the pool had an underground segment which housed a trapped mermaid?
ich bin verloren!
Nine zut dre aber ziggyztarduzt!

Flashbangandgone · 15/05/2016 21:19

You would have to be incredibly stupid not to know the difference.

??

My understanding is that an individual can be prosecuted for discriminatory behaviour (2003 Criminal Justice Act).... If someone is so aggrieved by an act of perceived discrimination that they are taking an organisation to court, then it is not at all unreasonable for an individual to have some concerns before doing exactly the same thing... In fact it would be incredibly stupid not to be!

mathanxiety · 15/05/2016 21:43

Flashbangandgone Sun 15-May-16 20:25:22
Even if it could be demonstrated there was some discrimination here, it doesn't follow that suing is appropriate.... It's utterly disproportionate!
That is for a judge to decide, though the suit could also be settled out of court, possibly for less money, with the pool agreeing to better education of its managers and staff.

£20,000 is chicken feed as far as discrimination suits go.

And it's not the first time a pool has discriminated against a breastfeeding mother:
"Sophie Howes, the mother, said: 'I decided to take a stance as I believe no woman should be made to feel embarrassed by wanting to breastfeed their child in public.
'It's important that when this kind of thing happens we challenge the practices and policies of services providers to ensure it doesn't happen again to others."
This is why the monetary value of £20,000 is important. It's not so she can get a boob job.

"Lucy Angus, from Unity Law, represented Ms Howes and said many women aren't aware of their rights.
She said: 'This case is important as it gives breastfeeding mums the confidence to know they can challenge discriminatory treatment of this kind.
'Many breastfeeding mums aren't aware of their rights in the same way service providers, such as leisure centres, aren't aware of their legal obligations.
This case helps to raise awareness of the issue from both perspectives.''

Oh look, there was even a pool manager claiming there was some sort of health and safety issue at stake too...
"Emma Wood, chief executive of Ashford Leisure Trust, said: 'Ashford Leisure Trust fully supports breastfeeding at all its sites and understands the legal rights of mothers to do this.
'On this occasion it was believed there was a legitimate health and safety risk - ie, feeding actually taking place while both the mother and baby were in the water, and a suitable alternative area just a couple of metres away was suggested.
'We do of course apologise for any upset caused. The staff were concerned for the health and welfare of the baby.
'It may be that this concern was misplaced due to a misunderstanding of the situation but it was not intended to discriminate against the mother.
'It is clear that additional training is required and this is being arranged with Public Health for all staff to ensure there is an enhanced awareness and understanding of breastfeeding.
We will also be working with experts and professionals to ensure that a suitable policy is produced."

"The Equality Act 2010 is a piece of litigation that protects people from discrimination in the workplace and in wider society.
Under the Act it is against the law to discriminate against people who are pregnant or who have a child.
People are protected when using a public service - such as a swimming pool in this case
According to the Act discrimination includes the following:

Direct discrimination - treating someone with a protected characteristic less favourably than others.
Indirect discrimination - putting rules or arrangements in place that apply to everyone, but that put someone with a protected characteristic at an unfair disadvantage.
Harassment - unwanted behaviour linked to a protected characteristic that violates someone’s dignity or creates an offensive environment for them.
Victimisation - treating someone unfairly because they’ve complained about discrimination or harassment"

....You can all put that in your pipes and smoke it.

Public service means the actual pool, where the water is.

Jasonandyawegunorts · 15/05/2016 21:45

You can all put that in your pipes and smoke it.

I'd rather have what you've been smoking.

Sparklingbrook · 15/05/2016 21:46

It's nearly boob cake time Grin

Jasonandyawegunorts · 15/05/2016 21:48

Math you realise that's another pool, with other managment, other people working there, in another city and a different situation?

mathanxiety · 15/05/2016 21:49

Are you so ignorant of how legal precedent works that you think that is a serious comment, Jason?

Does every little swimming pool need its own separate law on the stature books?

mathanxiety · 15/05/2016 21:50

That was a serious question btw.

How do you imagine the law works?

Jasonandyawegunorts · 15/05/2016 21:51

How do you imagine the law works?
I imagine it works very well.

Are you seriously trying to pass off a completely different incident as proof this pool did wrong?
That's a serious question by the way.

peggyundercrackers · 15/05/2016 21:53

Would you be in support of using the alleged character of a victim against him, or her, in court?

Doesn't matter what I support - the fact is it is what happens in court all the time...

Jasonandyawegunorts · 15/05/2016 21:57

hat's another pool, with other managment, other people working there, in another city and a different situation?

Math i'm sorry but the ridiculousness of this proof is unbelievable.

Becuase one Swimming pool did wrong 3 years ago, another one miles away and 3 years later is guilty?

MangoMoon · 15/05/2016 22:04

Math, Google Caroline Starmer.

She's another one that was 'publicly shamed' for bf on more than one occasion...

mathanxiety · 15/05/2016 22:13

"Math i'm sorry but the ridiculousness of this proof is unbelievable.
Becuase one Swimming pool did wrong 3 years ago, another one miles away and 3 years later is guilty?"

Jason, you are not following this at all.

MangoMoon, are you trying to tell me that one woman lying about having her baby snatched is somehow related to the case of a woman being 'offered a chair' separate from the facility she was entitled to use while breastfeeding even though it was perfectly safe for her to sit in the water and breastfeed?
Do you belong to the Jason school of muddled thinking and inability to discern analogy?
What exactly do you have in mind by mentioning Starmer?

LogicalThinking · 15/05/2016 22:36

Math, the case you posted is completely different!
She was ordered to move because someone was offended and she was told she would have to go to the changing room. Everything about that was discrimination and it was disgraceful that she was treated that way.
I don't see why that is relevant to this thread.

You are getting ruder and ruder towards the other posters as this thread goes on!

MangoMoon · 15/05/2016 22:42

Because Starmer appeared to be 'unlucky' enough to repeatedly be subject to harassment for bf.

Just like this lady.

It's very unlucky indeed that the same person seems to encounter injustice on an almost daily basis.

JuxtapositionRecords · 15/05/2016 22:45

What exactly do you have in mind by mentioning Starmer

Well what do you have in mind mentioning - actually writing in great detail in case we are all to stupid to understand a DM article - the other pool incident?

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