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To think MIL is not racist....but so f*cking ignorant & shouldn't be around DCs

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rockacrybaby · 30/04/2016 22:01

I have a very mixed family but am more or less black. Coffee coloured. DH is white. Race has never been an issue on either side but his damn mother keeps on saying the most infuriating things and DH and FIL keeps on shrugging it off as "she's just from a different time/ it's just silly ignorance"

When I think about what my family has been through I just cannot dismiss it as such. I've done the whole "Oh come on" polite speech but she just laughs me off as being defensive: "Oh I don't mean you, you're different"

Examples:

On DD1 when she was just born: "Oh, she's beautiful - not even as dark as I expected."

A conversation about an advert urging people to foster BAME kids: "Yes well of course more of them are in the system they just don't value family as much as other people do they?"

On first meeting me : "Oh you're quite well spoken"

On me straightening DD1s hair as a one off for a special occasion: "Her hair is so much prettier like this - so much less unruly"

On DD saying "I'm from Jamaica!" because her nanna is from there and we just got back from a trip and she's proud of her mixed heritage : "Oh but not that much darling"

On black lives matter : "Why are they so angry? If you behave like a hooligan you will be treated as such"

It really upsets me and I don't want my DCs hearing this shit. Yes their dad is white but they are still people of colour and I don't want them growing up hearing the shit I heard which made me feel inferior at times.....from their own damn grandma!!!

I don't even want them thinking about bloody race but it's like she cant help herself from making comments which subtly remind them that they are different from their blond haired blue eyes cousins. They are subtle and not all the time but enough to plant a seed.

Told DH MIL's comments aren't getting better and I'd I refuse to fight with her about it. I've addressed her comments nicely several times and she just laughs me off. DH is being useless. Seems to think that because she's not in the KKK its all petty.

I don't know what to do.

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Catvsworld · 01/05/2016 06:31

Mu mil said to my husband when we were dating

When are you going to stop messing around with those ethic girls and find a nice girl someone we can be proud of Confused

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winchester1 · 01/05/2016 07:00

I'm mixed race and was brought up by my white parent. She just explained some people are racist and it is wrong. She also.always positively reinforced our view of ourselves both as women and mixed race.

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ThumbWitchesAbroad · 01/05/2016 07:05

YANBU about your feelings, YANBU that she is ignorant and shouldn't be around your DC but YABU that she is not racist. She's just hoping that you'll accept that it's "just the way she is and always has been, and she can't help it" to avoid having to change.

Her comments are pointed and snidey, and basically telling you and your DC that you're "not quite good enough". It's disgusting that she thinks it's ok to say these things.

I understand you don't want to create a war, but I do think you should highlight it every time she says anything - ask her if she understands how offensive her comment/ question is, and when she disclaims, explain in words of few syllables, in a polite but instructive fashion. If you do this then maybe she WILL learn to stop.

If you want to go the PA route (and you might not) then you could talk to the children instead and say things like "Oh dear, Granny just said something VERY silly again, didn't she? As though there were anything wrong with your hair when it's curly, as we know, it's just beautiful, isn't it? Silly Granny!" But that might be more inciting to war, I don't know.

I definitely agree thought that her insidious shit comments will have negative effects on your DC if unchallenged. - they don't like the black one, even if they're black themselves, because they see it as "ugly", "bad" etc. There's already too much negative reinforcement out there in the world - they don't need it from a supposedly loving member of their family as well :(

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Catvsworld · 01/05/2016 07:06

People are rasict

You have 3 choices this is what I tell my kids

Say somthing
Say nothing
Or remove your self from the offence

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Catvsworld · 01/05/2016 07:13

Tbh honest as Somone who is married t a white person but is also charged as the person who has to build there self asteam and protecting them from racism I would also be having a long chat with your husband about what he understands rarasicm I think he he thinks his mothers comments are not a issue thenConfused he has no chance in helping them understand how the outside world will view them and equipping them with what is a white privallged word

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Itisbetternow · 01/05/2016 07:14

My Inlaws were both racist and use to say some nasty things in front of my kids. Afterwards I would explain to my kids that their grandparents were racist and ignorant and to ignore the comments. If I had confronted the Inlaws all hall would have broken out and the kids would not have seen their grandparents again. Inlaws are both dead now and I'm glad I dealt with it as I did. Kids knew their grandparents but also knew that they were racist.

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SurferJet · 01/05/2016 07:14

Op. I have someone in my family like this, not about race or colour but religion. Very well educated middle class type, wouldn't vote BNP if her life depended on it, but some of the things she says about Catholics ( in front of a catholic family member ) is quite shocking. Perhaps every family has 'one' & has to endure this?

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wheresthel1ght · 01/05/2016 07:21

How old is she?

It may well be a generational thing as opposed to outright racism. My fil makes similar comments about people in his small town (high concentration of Eastern European immigrants), or when he sees anything negative involving non-White people on the news or in the daily fail. He isn't racist as in hates them on site, it is how his generation was brought up and that is difficult to get around.

Rather than banning your mil from having a relationship with grandchildren you say she loves have you thought about sitting down and calmly explaining it to her? Speak to her about how you don't want your children thinking they have to take it from kids at school so they shouldn't have to listen to it at home. I would set it out in an "I'm not accusing you of being racist but I am not comfortable about some of he things you say especially around my children" type of way?

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Catvsworld · 01/05/2016 07:22

Issue is she dosent have to endure this why should she just because she is related why should she have to be dengrated

Op it's your husbands mother not your extract your self form the situation just stop excepting invites if he wants to see him mum than let him go

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YvaineStormhold · 01/05/2016 07:50

See, I don't have any truck with the 'different generation' thing. People from generations back have challenged racism, people far older than your MIL. And there are plenty of young racists about, mainly because older racists validate, perpetuate and encourage their ridiculous beliefs.

OP, I'm afraid in this instance I would have to visit MIL on my own, leaving my DH out of the equation. If he's not prepared to stand up to his mother, then you are going to have to sort it out for yourself, because it seems like it's you who is (rightly) truly bothered by it.

So, I'd pick a day when you can go and see her on her own without your daughter. Sit her down, and tell her how her behaviour makes you feel. Tell her that she is one racist comment away from never seeing her granddaughter again.When she starts to bleat about 'not meaning it' ask her what her intention was when she made her comments. When she bleats again, calmly ask her again, "Yes, I can hear you saying you didn't mean to upset me, but again I ask you, what did you intend by the comment you made about my daughter's hair/background/etc?'

She won't be able to formulate a coherent response. That gives you the opportunity to tell her she had better think very carefully about any comments she makes in the future, because if she loves her granddaughter as much as she says she does, the consequences of speaking without thinking will be devastating for her.

Then I'd go home and unleash hell on my DH for putting me in the position of having to do that.

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rockacrybaby · 01/05/2016 09:31

Hi guys.
DD and DS play with all toys but ive been weary to make sure they have ones that look like them too. When I was growing up their were no black princesses portrayed in story books or on tv shows to make me feel I belonged or was beautiful. All the adverts were of white women with long silly hair etc all the shit that makes people of colour feel alienated and not beautiful growing up. These days you turn on the TV and the first advert you see features a mixed raced family. DD can watch Aladdin, The Princess And The Frog, Mulan, Home and Pocahontas as well as Frozen now. When she watches TV she sees all races included and celebrated. As someone who has lived in this country in our darker times......I'm so proud of how far we have come.

My hair was nappy unruly and ugly.
DDs hair is literally cooed over everywhere we go

I was too dark and therefore not pretty but
DD is just so cute and omg you're kids look so exotic and OMG I love mixed raced kids!

It's a shame it's come to this. This is her nan and what I have to do is about to cause some serious tension. I spoke to DH before bed ; he said he knows but his mother was his hero growing up and he's just been wrapping his head around it. He will have a solid talk with her today after lunch. I promise you guys my husband isn't okay with racism. I think this is a tough one because he always thought he came from middle class liberal background......but now that liberalism must have been in theory. Not practice. He really is in shock I realised last night. He said he knows his mum is wrong and it just hurts to know what has to come next.
I said I understand but I don't want DD not thinking she is beautiful because of her blackness like I did at times growing up. He said growing up despite being in London he was always socially around white people due to his schooling etc. He said he remembers seeing black girls with their long braids and thinking they looked like movie stars and were so cool and beautiful. Blush He said he will never ever ever let DD ever feel less than and apologised for letting his mum go unchecked and for making me feel pressure to do it when it should be him. He also said he's subtly been reminding DD that nanny has lost her marbles etc but didn't do it when I was around because he didn't want it to be too intense or look like a gang up on his mum as DD does love her nanny.
I'm really upset. I love my little rainbow family ; why can't she????

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rockacrybaby · 01/05/2016 09:32

*silky not silly

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areyoubeingserviced · 01/05/2016 09:42

You know what OP, it's not about your MIL, yourself or your dh. It is about your children.
Don't think that they haven't already been affected by what their GM has said . I can assure you that they are taking in every racist thing that she says. You say that she 'loves' her GC and she probably does. However, love is a verb in my opinion and the things that she is saying will have a detrimental affect on them. When they are older your children will blame you and your Dh for allowing them to hear such nonsense.
I am sick to death of people making excuses for racists behaviour . It's not a generational thing,
She is a racist and will gradually chip away at your dc's confidence

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Janecc · 01/05/2016 09:42

Unfortunately rock they just won't or maybe even can't. It's so ingrained. I do think often people, who've grow up in a small world can have a tendency to get more narrow minded and bigoted with age. I'm so glad you're dh is able to face the truth. That's half the battle.

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areyoubeingserviced · 01/05/2016 09:48

Effect on them

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rockacrybaby · 01/05/2016 09:59

areyoubeingserviced
I understand. Because of this countries murky past I'm a bit reluctant to say racism in case I'm accused of "pulling the race card". Also to be frank that word gets chucked around so much I like to use it only when necessary. As I've said before she'd never vote BNP, loves her grandkids and if a black person needed CPR or turned up on her door step injured etc shed help them.

When I think racism I think off niggers go home graffitied across our council house door. I think of my brother being stopped by police so much he stopped telling my mum. I think of not being allowed into clubs on numerous occasions with my friends and chewing gum being put in my hair. I think of my teacher in primary school never failing to call me.and only.me a.cheeky.monkey only when other staff members were present for a little personal joke.
I think of Stephen Lawrence, and how we watched that filthy scum get away with murder and realising that even if we go to college and speak properly and behave properly and stay out trouble : we can still be murdered in cold blood and have police turn a blind eye.

Because MIL isn't any of these things I've been lenient but ive realised now that just because she is not as racist as a member of the kkk doesn't mean she isn't at all. Breaks my heart after what I've been through. Breaks my heart. DH is really upset too.

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rockacrybaby · 01/05/2016 10:07

Janecc I know I know Sad
I'm really getting anxious guys I'm scared of how MIL FIL SILs and BILs will react. I have a nasty nasty feeling it's about to kick off and become a huge family drama. Shock
We have had some great times as a family. She's going to feel betrayed. I've tried to shut her down so many times nicely though. She knows what she's doing and I hate that it's come to this.
I hate family drama. It can really fuck shit up. Im scared about what she's going to say when seriously and sternly confronted by her precious son. Sad I have a very very horrid feeling.

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areyoubeingserviced · 01/05/2016 10:08

Op, your Mil's type of 'racism' is in some ways more damaging than the situations that you mentioned.
At least in those case the racism could be 'challenged' as being racist . Just because your MIL doesnt wear a white hood on her head and doesn't call people the N word it diesnt mean that she is not racist.
You are reluctant to call it 'racist' because you don't want to be accused of 'pulling the race card' or ' having a chip' on your shoulder . That's how racist control people.
Unfortunately, if steps are not taken it will be too late for your dcs.

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rockacrybaby · 01/05/2016 10:10

wheresthel1ght
I'm 35
DH 39
MIL 65
FIL 67

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shonasybarbaric · 01/05/2016 10:15

So glad your DH is going to have a talk with his DP. She has to stop coming out with these racist remarks. Probably has no idea she's even doing it/that it's racist. We have come a long way but mixed race people still get really stereotyped - exotic, is so othering. Your DD doesn't need to grow up with reductive comments from her own family. Hope Mil starts to 'get it' after a talk from DH.

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rockacrybaby · 01/05/2016 10:16

areyoubeingserviced agreed. She isn't seeing them unsupervised unless she gets counselling I don't have time for "ill just think it but I won't say it ".
She won't renounce anything she's said though especially not in a serious environment. That's why I know we are going down the no contact route because if warned nicely she can't say omg I'm so sorry I never meant anyharm I won't do it again then I don't see her seeing wrong when approached more sternly. She just get defensive.

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rockacrybaby · 01/05/2016 10:18

shonasybarbaric she won't. Sad that's probably why he's avoided this for so long and why I've been a little soft with it.

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LitteRedSparkle · 01/05/2016 10:22

its 2016 not 1956 - she is RACIST and this is unacceptable. Do you want your DC to grow up feeling inferior?

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educatingarti · 01/05/2016 10:23

A white friend of mine married a black woman. She was breast-feeding their baby at an airport and was asked " Is that your baby or is some one paying you to do that?" She told then it was her child and they said " Oh but she doesn't look like you" to which friend's wife replied " but you haven't seen her daddy."

People can be so rude sometimes!

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Whistle73 · 01/05/2016 10:30

She wouldn't get away with comments like that in a workplace scenario. A TV presenter who said anything similar would be sacked on the spot.

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