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or is selling a t-shirt with Myra Hindley's face on it completely out of order?

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Liska · 25/04/2016 13:11

Society 6 are selling this. I know it's art. I get it. But it's also total shit, and completely out of order. I've even tweeted it (first tweet in about a year). So cross.

or is selling a t-shirt with Myra Hindley's face on it completely out of order?
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heron98 · 25/04/2016 14:23

They are clearly being deliberately provocative. I suspect the appeal of the t-shirt lies in its controversy, rather than for any inherent support for Myra Hindley.

Not my taste, but free speech and all that. I would just ignore it.

ZsaZsa1954 · 25/04/2016 14:25

Just to clarify: the original drawing is by a guy called Paul Nelson-Esch (it's part of his 'modern portraiture series'

Oh right. It's art so that makes it all OK then, doesn't it? seriously? with hundreds of famous people to paint a portrait of he just happened to choose Hindley? pull the other one. This is about publicity.

Liska · 25/04/2016 14:30

Oh, I don't think there's any doubt that no support is intended. But I do think that it somehow normalises an image which is still offensive to many - particularly those old enough to have heard the tapes - and decontextualises it so thoroughly that it becomes an iconic image in and of itself. I don't think that's a good thing, especially when close relatives of those murdered are still around: the last thing they want to do is see this image on someone's shopping bag, or phone cover.

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Iliveinalighthousewiththeghost · 25/04/2016 14:33

Out of order. It's Fuckin sick.

Liska · 25/04/2016 14:33

ZsaZsa when I posted that, I wasn't making excuses! I am the OP - I have the rage still!

I just wanted to give the context: he did a whole series of pics of cultural icons (Debbie Harry, David Bowie etc) . And then threw in the most notorious and disgusting of child rapist/murderers in current memory. Dick.

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lorelei9here · 25/04/2016 14:34

wow
I wish there was a law against this
imagine a friend or relative of the victims seeing that on a bag....ugh

EagleRay · 25/04/2016 14:35

I think I saw on Twitter that there's a t-shirt available with the Wests on it too. Let's just say it made the Hindley portrait look very ordinary Sad

Yoksha · 25/04/2016 14:36

Fuck. I've just finished the article on why rape jokes are not on. I come back onto the forum and find this. No way is this acceptable. Lets make a t shirt with Peter Sutcliffe's face on it. Add this to the list. Fuck me.

Iliveinalighthousewiththeghost · 25/04/2016 14:38

Whose ugly murdering mug is going to be on the next batch of T-shirts. Society6 must be on glue.

dizzytomato · 25/04/2016 14:39

...the fuck?!?

ZsaZsa1954 · 25/04/2016 14:43

throw pillows, iphone covers and a tote bag

Some people need help. Throw pillows with Hindley's face on them? yeah, that'll add to the ambience, especially if you have young children. Say around 8-10 years like their victims.

Words fail me.

liz70 · 25/04/2016 14:44

"Lets make a t shirt with Peter Sutcliffe's face on it"

It's out there already.

Morgani97 · 25/04/2016 14:55

Absolutely VILE

Delacroix · 25/04/2016 14:55

Steady on.

Society6 allow artists to sell products via their site, like Etsy or Ebay. They most likely haven't a clue the image is there and, being American, are unlikely to have spotted the reference.

Send them an email, comment, raise the awareness, but if you have to tar and feather anyone, it's the artist, not the storefront.

ZsaZsa1954 · 25/04/2016 14:58

Send them an email

I have, and I'm going to be very interested to see what the answer is, assuming I get one.

Liska · 25/04/2016 14:58

I have sent what I think is a reasoned comment to Society6 (waited till my rage had calmed a little Smile ). tbh, the artist's fb page is accruing comments about this at a bit of a rate....

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MrsDeVere · 25/04/2016 14:58

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Onlyicanclean10 · 25/04/2016 15:02

Utterly disgusting

mogloveseggs · 25/04/2016 15:07

Just vile.

Boogers · 25/04/2016 15:09

What better way to drum up publicity for a previously unknown company than to print a mug shot of that person on a t-shirt.

To the person who thought this was a good idea, why don't you listen to the tape recordings of Brady and Hindley torturing children to death and recording it to play back for sadistic pleasure? I bet you'll never hear 'Little Drummer Boy' in the same way again. And just in case you are thinking of popping Peter Sutcliffe's image on one of your t-shirts, can I just remind you that he removed the front teeth of the women he murdered so as they couldn't bite his dick when he forced it into their mouth? Still think it's an 'iconic' image? No. Marilyn Monroe was an iconic image. Tracy Emmin's used tampons were an iconic image. Yours is just sick.

Yoksha · 25/04/2016 15:11

Have emailed my disgust. They won't care.

Peter Sutcliffe's out there. OMG!

Liska · 25/04/2016 15:11

FYI this is what I sent:
I imagine this is not the first email you have received regarding one of the product ranges hosted on your site, featuring art work by Paul Nelson-Esch. The image in question is a line drawing of the notorious child rapist and murderer, Myra Hindley. I'm not sure if you, as an American company are aware of the sensitivity surrounding this image, but Myra Hindley and her partner Ian Brady are famous for the abduction, rape, torture and murder of small children in the 1960s. They taped the children while they tortured them, and those tapes were played in court. No one alive at the time of those cases has ever forgotten them. Both Hindley and Brady were jailed for life, and Hindley has since died. The bodies of some of their victims, however, were never found, and they would not reveal where they were. One of the victim's mothers recently died not knowing where her son's body lay. There are many close relatives of those children still alive today, many still grieving. For them to encounter a tote bag, or an iphone cover, with the image of their child's murderer on, would be incalculably distressing. The image is distressing enough to anyone who remembers, and who has to recall the horror of that case. I would please ask you to withdraw these items from your site, out of respect for the memory of those children, and for their families who still grieve for them today.

If you were already aware of the above, yet allowed your site to be the marketplace for these items anyway, then there is little I can say. I urge you to ask Mr Escher-Nelson to remove these items.

Thank you.

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Liska · 25/04/2016 15:12

Boogers I don't think anyone thought it was a good idea, did they? Did I miss a post, because that's mind boggling.

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Griphook · 25/04/2016 15:12

know it's art. I get it I don't can you explain? Genuine question

Boogers · 25/04/2016 15:18

Liska what's mind boggling?