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To not want ds2, (6) to do his SATS

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MsJamieFraser · 22/04/2016 21:02

Ds2 is below average in English and Maths, as we found out during a temper tantrum a few months ago, due to some kids being nasty and the teacher just stated "oh and and he's very behind where he should be" I started a thread about it at the time even tho his last report said he was above average...

ds2 will not pass his SATS, his teachers know this and I know this, I am angry his teacher has graded him a C in effort, even tho he does his best, goes to extra lessons, me and dh do extra lessons with him, and we even had a tutor until dh said fuck this, he fricking 6!

So I am wondering if I can demand that ds does not sit his SATS as we know he will not pass, so why put him through it when he is set to fail.

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Feenie · 23/04/2016 00:27

Yes, I have

'Sincerely' is on the Y5/6 spelling list.

She is a liability, as is the entire department.

YouTheCat · 23/04/2016 00:47

Adding 'ing' to a split digraph type word like 'achieve' is covered in phase 6. So yes, that would be KS1.

IcingandSlicing · 23/04/2016 00:58

Please forgive me my ignorance, but this result in year 2, what does ot count for? Are there going to be consequences if the child scores less than the national average now or at any time in the future?
I would imagine the KS2 results would be important but the KS1? Isn't it just to check if the child understands what they're teaching them?
Saying that I completely do not accept evaluating children aged 6-7 for what they've learned and putting them through the stress of an exam. That's too much and should be illegal.

Feenie · 23/04/2016 01:00

Rafa, your ''what's she done now?' has made my evening. It truly has been that kind of rollercoaster this year.

Fishcake72 · 23/04/2016 01:04

SATS mean nothing except for the school. Let him sit them with his mates. It makes no difference to his life what he comes out with.

Feenie · 23/04/2016 01:27

Got that right

Junosmum · 23/04/2016 05:50

Outing my age here but I was part of the first ever year 2 sats when I was at school. I don't remember them being talked about much but I do remember doing them. More than anything I remember the stress and fear I felt. Looking back my teacher handled it very well (try your best, don't worry etc) and didn't use words such as test or exam and there was very little lead up but I was still upset and distressed (my mum confirmed this, but at the time didn't know why as they weren't presented as a 'thing' to her.

Knowing how I felt then about some trial sats and how much pressure there is on teachers now and how the children's work will be focused on says for weeks prior, my DS will not be doing them. And if that means he's off the whole of May then so be it (though realistically he won't need to be- my husband is a teacher and says examiner so knows how it works).

PinotAndPlaydough · 23/04/2016 07:18

I don't agree that the children don't know what is going on. I remember taking my niece to school during SATS weeks a few years ago and she cried in the playground because she was so worried about them. Her school really pushed and they were doing extra lessons to prepare.

Sirzy · 23/04/2016 07:26

How the children respond is largely down to how the school present things though, at year 2 level if the school don't make a big song and dance about it then it shouldn't be stressful for the pupils. Ds school is telling their year 2 pupils they are doing some special quizzes, my nephew is in year 2 is generally a worrier but isn't in the slightest bit phased at the idea of any tests because he isn't aware of it.

LittleLionMansMummy · 23/04/2016 07:48

Dniece is doing SATs in May, she'll still be 6. Her school apparently handle it so that the children don't know they're doing them. She's not an anxious child anyway, and I reckon is average or above across the board, but dsis is relieved she won't know she's being tested. She (and I) fundamentally disagree with testing children so young.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 23/04/2016 07:54

And if that means he's off the whole of May then so be it (though realistically he won't need to be- my husband is a teacher and says examiner so knows how it works.

Are you sure? Because there is no set week for KS1 SATs. They can be sat at any time during May at the schools discretion and the school could quite easily spread the different subjects out over a month if they liked. In many schools they are unlikely to tell you when they are administering them anyway, so you'd have to guess which days your school will test the children.

AnnPerkins · 23/04/2016 08:13

We've only been told that they're holding them in the last two weeks of May.

You can't take them out for two whole weeks.

Feenie · 23/04/2016 10:17

Yeah - your husband needs to read the ARA 2016 (or any year, really).

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 23/04/2016 11:32

I was assuming Juno's DH was an examiner in something totally unrelated since I don't think there are examiners at KS1. Which would explain why he doesn't know much about them.

On a slightly unrelated note, has anyone ever read the ARA. It doesn't seem to be well understood.

Feenie · 23/04/2016 11:54

It doesn't help that they keep changing it, willy nilly. I needed it the other day to check procedures for a new arrival who is also new to English, but my downloaded version was different to the latest one.

Feenie · 23/04/2016 11:56

My dh is an A level AQA examiner. He knows jack about KS1 procedures and, as you say Rafa, there are no KS1 examiners.

alltouchedout · 23/04/2016 12:07

I'm not withdrawing my dcs from sats but have made it clear to them and to school that I don't care about the sats and will do nothing to prepare for them. Extra classes for primary age children to get better marks in tests? Such wank! Primary age children feeling under pressure to 'pass' exams? How ridiculous can you get?

Ds1 will not achieve expected levels when he does sats in year 6 next spring. Ds2 will significantly exceed them when he does sats in year 2 next month. Ds1 already has expressed anxiety about 'not passing', Ds2 has a load of shit to 'go over at home' so that he can demonstrate mastery of everything. Neither of them come home enthused by something interesting they learned today or something fun they did, neither of them think that getting an education is a wonderful thing in itself- it's all about the tests and levels. I hate what's going on. It's awful.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 23/04/2016 12:13

Come on now, Feenie, you can't expect them to keep an important document like that the same for more than 10 minutes.

Why bother to get it right the first time when you can have 27 drafts?

Feenie · 23/04/2016 12:32

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MsJamieFraser · 23/04/2016 19:45

ds very much knows he is doing his SATS, he knows he needs to improve in Math and English, he says his teacher is asking him if we are doing his SATS work at home...

DS2 very much knows he dong SATS, as he says he has do do his best for his school his teachers is lovely... but the message is wrong!

Ds d is not going to pass this test, even if he think shes not going to pass, why put him through the drama of hi proving to the school that the school have failed him!!

Have you even seen the test papers... I have and I as an adult just passed with 62% ...

It is wring to assume that 6 year old children dont understand these tests...

ds2 is ot 7 until the end of July, so not may as a previous poster said and many of his school isn't 7 until August

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Msqueen33 · 23/04/2016 19:49

My Dd is due to take hers and we aren't expecting her to pass as she struggles with pressure. She also has to autistic sisters so have a lot on her plate. She's an amazing little girl and I bloody hate sats!!!

Feenie · 23/04/2016 19:53

Have you even seen the test papers... I have and I as an adult just passed with 62%

You may not even have passed, OP - the dfe haven't made up decided the pass marks yet.

arethereanyleftatall · 23/04/2016 20:15

To summarise sats - teachers hate them, parents hate them, they make some kids anxious, and government don't really know anything about them.

Feenie · 23/04/2016 20:24

Pretty much.

Do you think anyone this week actually said 'Oh no! That's terrible.' when the SPAG was scrapped?

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 23/04/2016 20:28

Nicky Morgan?

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