"The Mummies on the Bus go chatter, chatter chatter" Really?

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So, I attend a regular nursery rhyme session at my local library and 'The Wheels on the Bus' now seems to comprise the above delight, together with the equally offensive "The Daddies on the bus go shush, shush, shush"

I'm really bristling at this example of everyday sexism. Yes, I am a mother, but I am also educated to Post Grad level and have a bunch of fairly heavyweight professional qualifications too. Prior to having DD, I held a senior position in a very male dominated field and really resent the implication that when a woman (who may or may not have children) speaks, it should be assumed that it is mere 'chatter'. I'm also really unhappy with the idea that a big manly man has to step in to shut up all these hysterically chattering women, otherwise where would the world be, eh?

AIBU to take this up with the library/council? I just don't want DD to face the same constant battle that I did, to be taken seriously in life just because she's a woman. I think we owe it to the next generation to challenge this trivialisation of women's opinions.

Hang on I thought the daddies were shushing the babies during their shared maternity/paternity leave?

OMG, who gives a sh!t about chat, chattering chatting. It's all the same really. On the whole, women talk more than men.

Those women who want equality should find a more important issue to support, than get fussed about a nursery rhyme.

Just invited some friends round for pontification and feminist coffee...

Seems pretty harsh only making the women harvest coffee beans, no doubt the men are sitting around drinking it.

Not my idea of feminism.

"Those women who want equality?" (don't we all?) .... Touche

"should find a more important issue to support" .... well, not necessarily IMO. Maybe it all helps to move the general discussion on equality along?

But have to agree too as we get nearer to the end of the thread with "Is it just me, or is there something ever so slightly ironic?" Flash

I totally agree. and no, you are definitely NOT 'overanalysing' it, 'reading too much into it'. Language is how we communicate how we make sense of the world and we all, ESPECIALLY young children, learn from language how things work in our world so it will NOT go unnoticed but toddlers will soak up everything they see and hear around them and INTERNALISE them.
Along with 'nagging' 'bitching''moaning''nagging' etc etc 'chatter' is used to put down women's opinions and feelings whether it is obvious to you or not.
Strongly recommend Dale Spender's Man Made Language if you are remotely interested in sexism and how it permeates all aspects of our patriarchal society.
Creeps me out big time that these songs give subtle disturbing messages !

The wheels go round
the horn goes beep
The wipers swish
the bell dings
The doors open and shut
The driver says 'move along please'
The children on the bus jump up and down
Daddies say 'don't do that'
Grannies go chatter chatter chatter
Babies go wah wah wah
Mummies go shush shush shush
Wheels on the bus go round and round.

I don't think a three year old knows or cares you have a PhD all they hear when grown ups talk to one another is 'blah blah blah chatter chatter chatter' nonsense. So I think it is resonance for mums gransor dads to say chatter chatter chatter.on the bus.

I am personally not so keen on dads going 'don't do that' but it's a song I sung as a small person. It is just a song for actions. Not social conditioning.

I am sure as a highly educated woman you will be a far greater role model to your child than any silly song. (There are lots more nursery rhymes that are far worse).

The baby on the bus goes I feel sick I feel sick I feel sick
The mummy on the bus goes, hold it child, hold it child, hold it child
The daddy on the bus goes here's a bag, here's a bag, here's a bag

We take the train whenever we can, because that's us.

It's funny how we have this thread wherein mummies chattering is offensive, but a shed load of posters on here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/a2620613-My-DH-is-a-wimp-Would-you-put-up-with-any-of-this?msgid=60650493#60650493 think it's okay for a man to be referred to as a wimp because he doesn't like confrontation. Toxic masculinity and all that

The wimpy behaviour on that thread would have been wimpy on a man or a woman.

This thread still going?

This morning, this mum on the buse was going "Wow! This is fair going at it for a Pulsar. It's a young driver and it's juddering, so he's pushing it past the limiter, isn't he?"

This mum is mum to a bus nerd.

That Jack Horner is also a bit up himself and has terrible manners........

Fuck's sake. Women chatter and men have to be the adults to make them shush.

Seriously twisting wheels on the fucking bus.

This site has hit rock fucking bottom, the ladies are chatting and the men are tending to the crying babies, How the fuck is any of it sexist unless you twist it.

people wonder why the site gets trolled and invaded.
THIS is why.

Pirate, how have I 'twisted' it? Can you explain please?

The site gets trolled because some men cannot abide women talking together. They call it "chattering" and try to shush them in case by talking together some of them would realise what a shit deal some of them are getting because they are women.

That is why.

Pirate- couldn't you disagree without being rude?

I understand though pirate I feel the same really.

Pirate- couldn't you disagree without being rude?

Not when things get batshit crazy like this thread, no not really.

Pirate, how have I 'twisted' it? Can you explain please?

The men are not shushing the women... FFS they are quieting the babies.

The site gets trolled because some men cannot abide women talking together. They call it "chattering" and try to shush them in case by talking together some of them would realise what a shit deal some of them are getting because they are women.

The site get's troll due to this kind of stupidity, People who consider themselves intelligent reading into the lyrics of wheels on the bus and twisting them to be some kind of subliminal code to put women in their place.
It's fucking stupid.

Patty Cake Pattycake bakers MAN
Bake me a cake as fast as you can.

This is a secret code to men to tell them to feed their women up and make them fat isn't it. No wonder feeders are on the increase. Damn men!

I do think anyone thinking of registering on MN and seeing this thread might be a bit 'oh if that's the sort of thing they discuss I won't bother after all'.

Again I agree actually pirate. I genuinely do not see it. It's only there if you want to find it in my mind .

Yep agree sparkling. I honestly think this makes feminism look like hard work , looking to be offended 'don't open that door for me I'm not an invalid!' types.

It's not very subliminal. If you don't want to see it don't. But it is happening.

The thing is, no one is asking anyone else to be offended. OP is, and I would be, and therefore would bring it up.

Feminism is quite hard work because misogyny is all around. Nobody said it is easy! Don't do it if you don't want to. But don't call people who are struggling against the pervasive misogyny stupid.

It's not very subliminal. If you don't want to see it don't. But it is happening.

Yes i agree, it isn't subliminal because THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.

Apart from the children going up and down of course, obvious drug reference.