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AIBU?

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To cancel my wedding because of my future in laws?

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MidnightAura · 19/04/2016 09:17

This is my first AIBU so please be gentle!

My fiancé and are I due to be married this summer. Venue is paid for and everything is booked. My partners family have thrown a few spanner in the works already. My future brother in law, let's call him Adam was upset he didn't get to pick his own best man suit and called up my DP saying it was a waste of his time going for a fitting as he "didn't have any say in the clothes" We found out through Adam that future father in law was unhappy because he wasn't wearing the same suit as his sons and in his words "he would look a spare prick at the top table" but we resolved that only because the man at the suit hire said that the father of the groom should not be identical as he didn't want them all to look as if they were in a marching band and most importantly the groom should stand out. My future mother in law won't tell anyone what colour she is wearing. I had to ask because my mum is getting a corsage and the florist said it should match the colour of her outfit. But my Dps mum won't tell me the colour. But she is miffed that then she may not have a corsage that matches. I don't know why she won't tell us, she says it's a surprise for the day of the wedding. I only mention this to avoid drip feeding!

So that was a few weeks ago. The maximum numbers we have for the wedding is eighty but our numbers are nowhere near that high. We only have 20 people we want there in total. We don't want a big wedding. We have sent out save the date cards. We had to contact father in law to be about getting addresses for some of the family on my DPs side. Dps dad asked for a copy of the guest list, without thinking I gave him it, we got the addresses, save the dates went out. Last night DPs Dad texts him and says he has booked hotel rooms for his cousin (so my DPs second cousin) and father in laws best man. Not my DPs best man, his dad's best man from his wedding 40 years ago who to our knowledge he doesn't see much of.

I realised right away that they weren't invited, checked the list and DP called and spoke to his Dad. We haven't invited these people. We have never met father in laws best man and in the eight years DP and I have been together, he's seen his dad's cousin twice. Both at funerals. There is no contact in between.

DPs dad started to get very upset on the phone, saying the hotel was booked already. DP hates confrontation and hates upsetting people but to give him his due he told his Dad that we hadn't invited these people, two of them we have never met and the other we see rarely. Our decision not to invite his fathers cousin is simply we don't want a big wedding with all the extended family there. None of my aunts and uncles will coming and certainly none of my parents cousins are coming. We want a small wedding.

So father in law to be puts DPs mum on the phone, the whole conversation is then repeated. She says his dad is devastated not to have the whole family there, they just assumed his dad's cousin would get an invite automatically as a second cousin is "immediate family" So even though none of these people had a save the date, DPs parents took it upon themselves to invite them and book them all hotel rooms. His Mum said we would have to do something about it and we then have to call them back. I don't feel we should have to fix this ? We haven't invited any of these people and it's not our fault they booked hotels without asking us if they could come?

So anyhow DPs mum starts to get upset and then she puts Dps brother on. Again we have to go through the whole thing again, dos brother lays on the guilt saying his parents are in tears, we should invite the whole family as they are never altogether and it isn't fair. He also said that Dps Dad will not come to the wedding if father in laws cousin can't be there. He also said we could add on these people as extras and they will pay. They are quite annoyed we have said no and have said its a matter of principal, it's our wedding day we decide who gets an invite, it's not for DP's family to turn it into a big family affair without asking and it's not what we want.

DPs brother *Adam messaged me this morning saying that four guests from their side won't be coming can we please Invite father in laws best man and his cousin? They just want to have the family there as the all the family only meet for sad times and they just want a happy family event. Why can't they just accept no means no?

It upsets DP and I that they are trying to turn our wedding day into a big family affair. I guess we are also a bit baffled because we hardly see DPs family. We seen them twice last year. They stay a 45 minute car journey away and they all drive but they just aren't interested in DP. We invite them round, we get told no. When we moved house and needed help with the move and for some things after, we asked for help and got told no.
Dps parents are retired and very wealthy. If they want big family get togethers they could have one any time, but they don't see much of the extended family either. It just feels like they want to use our wedding to have a big reunion (which is fine if that's what we wanted) and they seem intent in making it about them. It actually feels like they want to pretend at this wedding that we are all really close when the reality is completely different. We haven't seen DPs parents since Christmas!

So now I'm ready to throw the towel in. That how upset I feel about it. The day doesn't feel about us, it feels about DPs parents and their wishes. We would lose a lot of money to cancel and elope but I'm starting to think it will be worth it.

Adam is really pushing us (no doubt on his parents orders) to invite the best man and second cousin. We just don't want to and I fear that by giving in on this occasion there will be something else down the road I.e they aren't happy the relatives are only getting evening invites, Adam isn't happy his girlfriend of a month isn't on top table. I just don't want any more of this hassle. I just want to get married and Dp and I have those we want there to celebrate it with us. Is that unreasonable?

OP posts:
sunnydayinmay · 20/04/2016 14:17

I've been following your thread since the beginning - I also have "strong" in-laws, although mine are thankfully usually rational.

The way to handle this is to simply stand your ground and don't compromise. You and your dp decided on the venue, the date and the guest list. Just keep repeating that this is not negotiable, no changes, no additions, no tweaking.

You get your wedding, they can huff and puff all they want but the line is there and cannot be crossed.

Repeat when it comes to baby names, godparents, baby staying with grandma for weekends etc.

It actually saves you a lot of headspace, and your will feel empowered!

Hagrid3112 · 20/04/2016 14:17

I would just tell them that it's your wedding, you are paying for it, so you are going to do it the way you want to. You will decide who is invited and you will decide who, if anyone, fills gaps opened up by people not being able to attend. End of. You are not changing your minds. It is their responsibility to cancel rooms booked for their guests and to tell them that they are not invited, it was their mistake in thinking so, and they shouldn't have assumed they had free reign over he guest list. If they say they won't be attending because x, y and z aren't invited, then tell them that it's their decision if their son's wedding means so little to them, and they are more interested in throwing a big party than you two actually getting married. Or do you think they actually would miss it?
We had some drama last year at our wedding over an uncle's ex-girlfriends's daughter not being invited. If you don't want them there, don't back down. Don't cancel and lose your money.

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 20/04/2016 14:24

Yes, same shit different venue is exactly what any change would bring.

You are clearly fully aware that this is about power and control, not about great auntie Mavis having a day out.

Above you made a statement along the lines of "If we do then In laws then cannot moan that ... "

Yes they can moan and they have moaned and they will continue to moan about perfectly reasonable requests.

They have gone further than moaning with the uninvited guests and the hotel and all that.

Trying to find options that make them happy is a waste of your time. They won't be happy unless they stomp all over you. You won't be happy if they stomp all over you. DP won't be happy if his family stomp all over you.

You are not a bridezilla. You and your DP had sensible wedding plans. Do those plans.

That sets the right tone for the rest of your marriage.

You and DH decide what you want for your life, it is reasonable, you do that thing, even if PILS don't like it.

HanYOLO · 20/04/2016 14:29

Oh I really feel for you, OP. It seems that you are surrounded by selfish people or at least people who are prepared to behave thoughtlessly and selfishly. What you want is entirely reasonable - a few immediate family to see you get wed and then an a party for a few friends.

Are they the kind that would have a big wake up call if you all sat down together and very clearly explained that you would have no choice but to cancel if they persist in this way?

HanYOLO · 20/04/2016 14:30

and DP's brother - can DP not sort him out? He's setting himself up for similar shit further along the line after all

IcingandSlicing · 20/04/2016 14:32

MsHoolie I applaud you!
(And sorry to read you're having health issues, hope things get better!)

iMogster · 20/04/2016 14:33

Your In-laws are bullies and like getting their own way. It's easy for me to say, just let those extra people come and you won't really notice on the day. But the problem is, they will continue with their bullying ways. I don't agree with the line 'it's only a day'. I have happy wonderful memories of this day that will last with me for my whole life.

My SIL got married last year. Her DP has a bully for a F. He has made her DP a shy, down trodden man who is too scared to argue back. (He is totally fab when his F isn't present). His F invited all his old school friends and their partners and their children. He wasn't even close to them and SIL and her DP had never met them. Her DP gave in and because of venue size, SIL had to ask all her relatives to not bring +1, eg cousins didn't bring partners. She was sad about that and some didn't come because they couldn't bring +1. F chose her DP shoes and suit, even though he didn't like them. He also made him have a hair cut. He made loads of wedding decisions. It was a complete nightmare and my SIL was in tears for months. F wasn't paying for wedding, but was contributing. The bullying is still going on about everything and will carry on until her DP stands up to him. He wants to view houses that they are viewing to buy. F insists they visit him and wife every Christmas and so they don't see her M and F. They are having a baby at the end of the year, he's already giving 'advice'.

Thank God your DP is backing you up all the way. Good luck and I wish you a wonderful day with long lasting happy memories.

SisterMoonshine · 20/04/2016 14:35

You sound undecided again.

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 20/04/2016 14:38

You realise your PILs are winning right now don't you?

They've got you giving them buckets of attention. You are thinking about them non-stop aren't you? Do you and DP talk about anything else right now? All this time and energy thinking about them and their needs. Considering cancelling all the other guests except them, taking up your time researching new venues, talking to your mum and sister about them. They've stolen your time and energy.

They are being twats about perfectly reasonable arrangements. Don't pander. Don't change your plans. KOKO.

Cornishclio · 20/04/2016 14:40

Sounds as if you have come to a decision to go with a different venue OP and much smaller guest list so as long as you and DP are happy with that, this is all that matters. It is a shame that your PIL have ruined your original plans and I personally would not have cancelled but gone along with it on the grounds that 3 awkward people (PIL and BIL) could have got lost among 20 people but in a group of 10 they are more difficult to ignore. I hope you have a happy day whatever you do in the end and try not to make this the defining moment of your relationship with your ILs if your DP wants to keep in contact with them.

I also cannot believe the gall of the PIL to give a minibus ride to guests on their side as a wedding gift. How is that a gift to you? People pay for their own transport to weddings. Wealthy but stingy obviously.

IcingandSlicing · 20/04/2016 14:42

OP, Whatever you chose to do, please give it a thought about the outcome of your decision on everyone involved and your relations with your in-laws.
I close friend of mine decided to marry her DP despite she was not getting on well with her future MIL, SIL or FIL - she decided that just ignoring them will do.
Well, it didn't.
The marriage lasted 2-3 years.
You are not laying down tne foundations of anything durable that way.

Unless you're planning to move to Australia after the wedding, let's say.

I would advise against going into a family relationship with power struggles.

mrskim123 · 20/04/2016 14:42

What a nightmare. Makes my in-laws seem reasonable by comparison. I'd be tempted to cancel the whole thing and run off to Gretna Green but I guess that'd cause even more upset. Perhaps then you could send a postcard saying 'glad you aren't here!' Feel sorry for your hubby-to-be but if he doesn't like confrontation (and who does, in their right mind?) how else is he to stand up for himself? If they are like this now what'll they be like in the future? Still it is YOUR wedding, not theirs. You must both find the courage to do it YOUR way.

mrsdoughnut · 20/04/2016 14:45

OP I had this upset when planning my wedding.

MIL invited her friends and long lost friends...she even wanted to invite her mates to my hen do. I said no. On the night she sulked. Got drunk and caused an argument with my sister and went home.

Don't let your IL'S use your wedding day as a popularity contest.

Me and DH kept our heads and plans closed off from everyone - my family included. Everyone just had too many opinions and suggestions!

My SIL wanted her on/off boyfriend to be invited. BIL didn't want to sit up top table u less SIL was... MIL then threatened not to come. I was called names, had passive agressive texts sent to me.

We never cancelled. We went ahead with our day. MIL had a couple of bum face moments but was all smiles for DH.

Go over to their home or meet somewhere neutral and thrash this out. Don't start your married life out with this bullshit.

If they would be willing to pay the costs for the 4 people would you let them then come?

Seriously on the day none of this matters!

mammamic · 20/04/2016 14:46

I'm really surprised at the number of responses saying cancel or elope.

I think YABcompletelyU.

Why should you cancel? IMHO, if you cancel - they have got the total upper hand - their actions led to you cancelling one of the most special days of your life.

Compromise, if you can. Bite the bullet and tell them straight. In the daytime, we are having a very small wedding for our own reasons and only these people are invited. We have an evening guest list of 'x' but are able to accommodate 'y'. This means there are 'z' places spare. If you want to invite up to 'z' people extra, please feel free, at your expense. Finish by telling them that it is not a negotiation - it is a wedding and much as it is a family affair (because the reality is - that's exactly what it is), ultimately, it is going to be how you and DP want it to be - not how everyone else thinks it should.

If you can't reach a compromise of some sort, then eloping may be the thing to do but this will cause way more problems. If I was on the other side, I'd think you were spoilt and vindictive, depriving me of watching my son get married. I don't think that of you, obviously, as I don't know you but I am playing devil's advocate.

The reality is that you are marrying him and his family are part of that. What you need to do is carefully think how you want those relationships to be. Cancelling the wedding sends a really loud and confrontational message...

Best of luck

my own mother turned into a completely mad b*tch when I announced my wedding. After only a month of research, we arranged to get married in Jamaica (this was 20 year ago so not so ordinary then) and said whoever wants to join can, at their expense. We then had a massive party when we got back and my mum could invite the 100 people on the list that I'd never heard of/met. Everyone was happy(ish) and nobody fell out.

Cloudstasteofmash · 20/04/2016 14:46

I think op is just going to let her mum and her parents do what they wish at her wedding. Then she is going come back on and complain that it didn't feel like her day and it was full of randoms

Bog standard wedding Grin

mrsdoughnut · 20/04/2016 14:48

It's emotionally and physically draining but you & Dp need to stand firm.

Decide what you want to do. Stop suggesting other plans to make everyone else happy. Decide what you want and full steam ahead. Ignoring any sulks and toddler tantrums. That's all they are. And tell Adam to fuck off. Got fuck all to do with him.

Jaxhog · 20/04/2016 15:17

Compromise and split things into 2.

1 - either elope, or have a small ceremony with your chosen guests, wearing what you choose. It's your wedding.

  1. Ask DPs parent to hold a wedding celebration (the next day, week) that they organise and pay for.

At my wedding, xx years ago, we wanted a small ceremony. Until my mum booked a choir, bells and bridesmaids, and my husband's family booked a huge mini bus that whisked them all home well before the party finished! My dad initially refused to go because he didn't want to be 'ponced up' in a morning suit. (he relented the week before) Never again.

BananaThePoet · 20/04/2016 15:19

Your wedding is your wedding. Not anybody elses. If people want a party then you can have a party afterwards later on if you want one for your friends and family to celebrate with you.
Today is my twenty sixth wedding anniversary.
We got married in a registry office with three witnesses. Then my husband introduced me to his mum and dad. He'd met my mum and dad the week before but they didn't know we were getting married. We told them afterwards.
Never regretted it once.
My parents nor his parents ever expressed any regret at not being at the wedding. I think people only get bothered if they think they missed something someone else got to enjoy. I think if one side had been invited and the others not it might have been a problem. Nobody invited was definitely the way to go.
That was us.
You are you.
Do it your way.
But the only people in your marriage are you two. Unless you choose to include others. If you choose to include your family members into your marriage then you need to be clear about boundaries and you both need to be 100% agreed on how much they are influencing your life otherwise the intrusion will break you apart.
You need to be 100% supportive of your husband and yourself and the new unit you are creating by marrying and he needs to be 100% supportive of you. If loyalties are split and if those loyalties aren't mutually agreed and okay then there is likely to be trouble ahead.
That's why some couples with kids are stronger - they both love their kids and are comfortable with their partner loving their kids and even if they love their kids more than their partner that's fine as long as both feel the same way.
If one partner loves the kids more than the partner and the other partner loves the partner more than the kids - then issues happen and it is the same with parents and in-laws.
Almost anything can work as long as both partners are comfortable and happy with the set-up. It is no good if one partner is felt to be letting the other one down by favouring either kids or parents or siblings over the partner while the other partner had different priorities.

MidnightAura · 20/04/2016 15:34

Mamma why if we elope would you think the woman was spoilt and vindictive and depriving you of watching your son get married. There is two people in a relationship and this a joint decision. I'm not depriving anyone of anything.

I know you aren't talking about me, I'm genuinely just curious why the woman would get the blame automatically.

DP and I think we know what we are going to do, we will know by Friday and that will be it. Parents can be pissed off if they like, we aren't going to please everyone and our wedding day will be about what we want. We aren't going to cave to demands and they can like it or lump it.

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Nanny0gg · 20/04/2016 15:35

MidnightAura You may have answered this already, and if so I apologise for missing it.

What would happen if you told in-laws that if they don't disinvite the extras, that the wedding as it stands will not be going ahead?

Would they just let that happen, or would they dis-invite so that you could have the day you originally wanted with the people you originally wanted?

KDubya · 20/04/2016 15:37

Definitely not!
Family politics is exactly the reason we married the way we did...after being together 18yrs and broaching the marriage subject and noting how others reacted we decided we were just going to do it.
Told our parents the week before (only because our children weren't old enough to be witnesses) also included that they weren't invited and just us and a couple that were a friend of ours attended..20min in the registrar's office, a quick stop off to see the kids and then off to town for cocktails and a meal at a nice restaurant which used the be a winebar where we had our first dance together...we were back home for 10:30pm bottle of vodka and we got to spend the rest of the night with our friends and children having a giggle. No stress, no issues and certainly no regrets!
People forget that a wedding is about two people making a personal commitment to each other...not for their petty demands ....its your wedding, do it your way!

coconutpie · 20/04/2016 15:46

Midnight I actually think you are being ridiculous and OTT over this. You are creating more drama than there needs to be. PIL invite cousins who you don't want there and your solution is to throw a strop and actually cancelling your lovely wedding venue. That is not a solution. There are some situations where wedding stress means it's easier to just head off and elope. However your version of eloping is not eloping - you want to invite parents, not siblings, therefore creating more drama and you think your in-laws will sit there at your elopement with happy faces on them after all this? There's one obvious thing here - your in-laws are gonna be pissed off no matter what way you do it.

You cancelling your wedding means that your in-laws win. They've ruined your wedding yet you still invite them to this elopement, therefore rewarding their shitty behaviour AND you are out of pocket for all the money you've lost on deposits for the venue. Put on your big girl pants and have your wedding in presumably the way you want - with your original guest list at your original venue.

You say if you don't allow them invite cousins they'll have faces like a slapped arse - they'll have a face like that regardless. Who cares if they look like that on your wedding day? Who honestly cares? You'll be too busy on the day to even look at their miserable mugs.

But you really are being a bit over dramatic by throwing in the towel just because of a minor issue here. That's all it is - you just tell in-laws no, you cannot invite people, tough shit. It's not up for further discussion. If you do not wish to attend wedding, that's your choice. End of conversation.

MidnightAura · 20/04/2016 15:47

Nannyogg In laws have threatened to cancel if we don't invite their best man and their cousin. BiL would also not attend. I don't think that will force their hand. Becasue this isn't for them about a family knees up, they can have one anytime they like, they could have a party bigger than our wedding, they just want control on the day.

We haven't told them we are thinking of cancelling, someone gave me the very good advice of not talking to them and letting the dust settle for 48 hours. Moving forward we will not be discussing wedding plans with anyone.

OP posts:
MidnightAura · 20/04/2016 15:52

cocknut I'm not throwing any strop, I feel the way I do because of dominating in laws and yeah I want to throw the towel in because this is not what we want. And it will get worse.

You are right with some things but this isn't a minor issue, they were in hysterics and my concern is this will get worse if I give in and pander to them.

There's plenty of people on this thread who would cancel going by the responses, I don't want the thread to go round in circles anymore. Everything that has been said, has been, we think we have a solution and that is that.

OP posts:
Lweji · 20/04/2016 15:54

In laws have threatened to cancel

Reply: it's up to you, we get married regardless.

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