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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To think my Dad is being a twat?

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Anonymous1000 · 16/04/2016 12:17

Ok, this might be quite long but I feel all the information is needed for you to tell me if IBU. Also, I'm a regular(ish) poster but have name changed as the details of this might be quite identifying.

A few years ago (I forget precisely how many!) in the January, my father (technically my stepfather but to cut a long story short - he raised me, he's my dad) left my mother after about fifteen years of marriage.

He said that he wasn't happy and that together they weren't happy although mum seemed to think there were no real issues. He just upped and left by the way - didn't try counselling, didn't try and fix it, just got a flat to rent and left.

In the April he told me that he was now seeing someone - a woman from work (let's call her Betsy). He had known Betsy for a while, before he left my mum, he accepts this but says nothing happened between them until the April. My mother disagrees with this, she says (based on intuition, no factual evidence I guess) that he was having an affair - I won't go into all the details but in the preceding months before he left, his behaviour was very strange and secretive - constantly texting and taking calls outside (he had never done this before) but didn't allow mum to see the phone and was evasive when she asked who he was talking to.

Lots more stuff, but not really relevant to my AIBU I guess, but suffice to say my mother was convinced he was cheating on her and all of her side of the family agreed. Initially, I was very supportive of both father and mother. I asked dad outright whether anything ever happened with him and Betsy before he left mum and he said no, not until the April after he left. For this reason, I took the view that he left mum because he was unhappy like he said (possibly triggered by the introduction of Betsy at work) but I couldn't accept that he had had "an affair" as my mum told everyone because my dad flat out denied it and my mum had no concrete evidence. At first, it was difficult as my mothers side of the family despised him for what he had done (mum was extremely distraught at him leaving) and expected me not to speak to him but I still encouraged our relationship in spite of this, I suppose I viewed our father-daughter relationship separately outside of what he did/didn't do to my mum.

Anyway, fast forward to last year and things have settled down a bit. Mum is moving on with her life and Dad married Betsy.

Since he left mum, I've made it very clear I want fuck all nothing to do with Betsy. I know it's very childish and ridiculous but I do blame her for the breakdown of the marriage and, rightly or wrongly, I have no desire to have anything to do with her whatsoever. I obviously wasn't invited to the wedding (nor would I have gone).

Dad and I have maintained a reasonable amount of contact over the years although we are definitely not as close. I think I forgot to mention that mum, dad and betsy all live in Australia so I don't have lots of contact with them.

Dad used to call me about once a month or so but this has gradually decreased. He has visited the UK a couple of times but has stayed with his parents or in a hotel (obviously he can't stay at mine as Betsy is with him) and over the course of a three week holiday he managed to see me twice and not for very long. He mentioned that he can't see me too often because he has to "Palm Betsy off to a coffee shop" - cue major row that his wife is fucking incapable of entertaining herself without my dad for a prolonged period of time. She lives with him all the time - is it too much to ask that she steps aside so I can spend time with my father?!

Anyway, that's all back story - here is my AIBU. Last September I gave birth to DS who is absolutely amazing - PFB and all that but I bloody love him to bits and obviously think he's the most incredible kid ever!

When he was born, father never sent a card to congratulate. At Christmas he never sent a card either (not for me/DH not DS). This was very odd, he has always sent cards for birthdays, Christmas etc.

By the way, this is his first grandchild.

Anyway, more importantly, not only has he not sent cards, he just generally doesn't appear to give a shit. Since I've had DS, he hasn't called once - I've had to call him or text him. He doesn't even email to ask how he is and when I send photos of DS, I just get a short response like "cute x" or "lovely photos x".

So in January this year, I brought it up over the phone. I got really emotional, cried a lot and asked what was going on. It was the most bizarre conversation but he basically agreed he hadn't made much of an effort but wouldn't really give a reason why.

At first he tried to say it was because he thought I didn't want him to have anything to do with DS?! I had a long birth with emergency c-sec and didn't tell him that DS had arrived until three days after he was born. Apparently he was pissed off as DH had text my mum after the birth to say DS was here and, reading between the lines, that pissed him off that she knew before him (he found out through my brother I think).

During the phone call I kept trying to move things forward by saying well the past is the past but I do want you in DS's life so can we just move forward and you step up to the plate and be his grandad? He was silent and wouldn't answer the question despite me repeating it many times. Eventually he said he wanted to be a part of DS's life but it was difficult and he didn't know how?! All very strange and would not elaborate any further. We finally ended the conversation by him reluctantly agreeing to make more of an effort and call and ask about DS.

Since January - nothing. He hasn't contacted me at all. It was his birthday recently and I called to wish him happy birthday and asked why he hadn't at least text to see how DS was doing and he said "he had been busy". That was it.

I would like to send him a letter or email to tell him how I'm feeling in black and white. He tends to twist things over the telephone and is the type of man who can NEVER admit being in the wrong. Classic example - he says he left mum for the good of the whole family because they were unhappy and not good together. He said he hadn't made an effort with DS because he thought that's what I wanted (random!) and he'd "made his peace with that".

As far as I'm concerned I've given him ample opportunity to make an effort with my now 6.5 month old DS and he hasn't and I'm really fucking offended.

DH tells me to just go NC - father obviously isn't going to get in touch so he said I too should stop calling, sending photos when he clearly isn't interested. I agree but would like to send some kind of final email/letter. In his mind, he will have twisted this whole thing into some bizarre situation where he doesn't have anything to do with his grandson because of me. When friends and family ask about DS, I can just picture him shaking his head and saying "I don't know how he's doing, I haven't heard from my daughter in months. She doesn't even send me pictures." So would it BU to send a letter basically saying that we are here when he decides he wants a daughter and grandson but that this lack of contact is solely down to him and isn't something that I want.

I have a few theories why he doesn't want anything to do with my DS. The first and most probable (reading between the lines in our conversations) is that I don't want anything to do with Betsy so why should he bother with my family. Another possible theory is that he and Betsy are trying to have children and possibly having fertility issues Betsy is late 30s and didn't have children before she met my dad. This makes sense when I consider his "it's too difficult" comments about having a relationship with DS. I also wonder whether he himself feels he is too young to be a grandad. He was a lot younger than my mum and is only in his 40s now and since he met Betsy has started doing things he used to do as a youngster like buying a drum set and going to concerts, motor biking etc.

By the way - I'm fully aware I'm BU (and childish) about not accepting Betsy and refusing to have anything to do with her but surely he (as the parent) shouldn't refuse to accept my DS because of this.

In case you couldn't tell by the length of this - this is something that bothers me tremendously. I'm massively offended he doesn't seem to care about DS and this behaviour is something I would never have expected from him. I've always been close with my dad growing up and I would have thought he would be over the moon with having his first grandson.

It's not healthy for me to keep dwelling on this so I would really like to put the ball in his court so to speak and let him know that the door is open but it's him that keeps closing it, not me. AIBU to send a letter to this effect or is DH right and should I just not make any more effort at all?

Thanks for reading!

OP posts:
paxillin · 16/04/2016 15:35

True, just as you only come with your DS, he only comes with Betsy.

OptimisticSix · 16/04/2016 15:57

I agree with all who have said you need to fix things with Betsy. I can understand why you feel the way you do but (in my family) the women are generally in charge of holidays, cards, gifts (money) etc and if they don't bother it doesn't get done. I always organise things for my Step Daughter because hubby would forget. He loves her very much but is so forgetful :) also you made it hard for your dad to see you, he fly's hundred of miles with his other half who then has to sit around and wait for him while he sees you... Honestly unless you've met Betsy and detest her I'd make an effort.

TresDesolee · 16/04/2016 16:04

I think you're quite within your rights to reject Betsy, but as an adult you have to accept the consequences of your own behaviour - which may be (we can't know without hearing his side) that your dad decides to walk away from you.

Your dad chose to walk away from your mum, and he's taking the consequences (losing your mum, and having you and your brother reject the woman he fell in love with, even years later).

You can't insist that your behaviour shouldn't have consequences, but that his should.

Tbh (and I don't mean this to sound harsh) it sounds as though you're quite 'stuck' in the child role in your relationship with your dad - expecting to be able to act on your own desires without treating him as another adult who also has desires and loves and general autonomy.

It's understandable, but it's not strictly reasonable. If you want to have a relationship with him you may need to step outside the daughter/father dynamic and try to think of it as two grown adults in a tricky situation who need to find a way of compromising.

Or you can just walk away - which would be understandable.

OutToGetYou · 16/04/2016 16:27

Is your half brother his bio child then? Does he have contact with him?

I think you do need to get over the Betsie thing now. What happened in the past between your mum and dad and another woman isn't really your business. If you want a relationship with him it's a package deal now.

It can't be easy to feel much for the child of the daughter of your ex who lives thousands of miles away. I expect he's just not really that interested any more.

I wouldn't send a letter, written things can't be unsaid. You might write it just for you, to get your thoughts straight. Maybe leave contact until next time you are at least both on the same continent, if he comes over ask them both round for lunch to meet ds.

Anonymous1000 · 16/04/2016 16:33

OutToGetYou - yes my brother (half brother) is my dad's biological child.

They have no contact either. They were in touch but the relationship gradually dwindled and my dad has now said to my brother that he's not going to make any more effort and the ball is in my brother's court and if he (my brother) wants to get in touch and see him (dad) then he will but he's not going to keep making the effort.

Brother is also of the same opinion as me about Betsy and wants nothing to do with her.

OP posts:
Snoringlittlemonkey · 16/04/2016 16:46

He's chosen his wife. That's the bottom line. You can either accept her or accept you will have nothing to do with him. They are a married couple now and to be fair you have no right to try to dictate to them what they can or cannot do regardless of your previous relationship with him.

I agree with the pp who said that you cannot expect your behaviour (refusing to have contact with his wife) to have no consequences, when he's clearly had consequences from his.

You keep going back to bashing Betsy rather than looking to move forward.

I understand you are hurt but if you want him in your life you will have to bend a little.

curren · 16/04/2016 16:46

You have all behaved badly in my opinion.

By not accepting betsy you have pushed him away. By not letting him know the baby was born, you have told him that he isn't really your dad. He isn't important.

You don't treat him like your dad. But want him to act like a grandad.

Whatever went on. Betsy did not cheat on your mum. I don't get how you can hold so much anger for her and not him.

He is either your dad or your mums ex. You need to decided what you see him as before you decide anything else.

QOD · 16/04/2016 17:17

Sorry, forgot.to.come back

Basically YOU have to.decide
is he your dad? Do you want a relationship?
If so, YOU HAVE to get over Betsy

My dad (step dad) caused the break up of my parents marriage ... but actually he didn't - it was my MUM
therefore I have never blamed him

My step mum has been pretty awful in the past, but now my gran has died, it was either get over it/accept it/let it go
OR lose my relationship with my dad

YOU are am adult now, I know it hurts and he hurt your mum.but HE hurt your mum. If you can forgive him, let Betsy in

SabineUndine · 16/04/2016 17:23

I do wonder if he's inherited grandchildren when he married Betsey?

Gide · 16/04/2016 19:20

I empathise with the whole idea of not wanting anything to with Betsy, but put yourself in your dad's shoes. If you were to leave your DP and start a long term relationship with another guy, you'd be horribly resentful of your dad refused to have anything to do with your new DP.

Gide · 16/04/2016 19:22

OP says Betsy is late 30s, so probably no grandchildren just yet.

Junosmum · 16/04/2016 20:14

Why can't you see Betsy? Seems very childish. She makes your dad happy, your mum didn't. If he was seeing Betsy before leaving your mum it was for a very short period then he did the right thing.

Basically you're being childish and not accepting someone in his life who is very important to him. It's affected your relationship and he's keeping his distance.

Spandexpants007 · 16/04/2016 20:24

Men often take time to build bonds with babies.

Can you start to bond with betsy?

cavedescreux · 16/04/2016 23:57

I don't think welcoming Betsy will make any difference now. I suspect he no longer sees you as his child, or your child as his grandchild. He's only in his 40s with a younger wife - sounds like he's trying to relive his youth and cutting off adult children is helping him do that. Sorry op Flowers

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