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To think my Dad is being a twat?

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Anonymous1000 · 16/04/2016 12:17

Ok, this might be quite long but I feel all the information is needed for you to tell me if IBU. Also, I'm a regular(ish) poster but have name changed as the details of this might be quite identifying.

A few years ago (I forget precisely how many!) in the January, my father (technically my stepfather but to cut a long story short - he raised me, he's my dad) left my mother after about fifteen years of marriage.

He said that he wasn't happy and that together they weren't happy although mum seemed to think there were no real issues. He just upped and left by the way - didn't try counselling, didn't try and fix it, just got a flat to rent and left.

In the April he told me that he was now seeing someone - a woman from work (let's call her Betsy). He had known Betsy for a while, before he left my mum, he accepts this but says nothing happened between them until the April. My mother disagrees with this, she says (based on intuition, no factual evidence I guess) that he was having an affair - I won't go into all the details but in the preceding months before he left, his behaviour was very strange and secretive - constantly texting and taking calls outside (he had never done this before) but didn't allow mum to see the phone and was evasive when she asked who he was talking to.

Lots more stuff, but not really relevant to my AIBU I guess, but suffice to say my mother was convinced he was cheating on her and all of her side of the family agreed. Initially, I was very supportive of both father and mother. I asked dad outright whether anything ever happened with him and Betsy before he left mum and he said no, not until the April after he left. For this reason, I took the view that he left mum because he was unhappy like he said (possibly triggered by the introduction of Betsy at work) but I couldn't accept that he had had "an affair" as my mum told everyone because my dad flat out denied it and my mum had no concrete evidence. At first, it was difficult as my mothers side of the family despised him for what he had done (mum was extremely distraught at him leaving) and expected me not to speak to him but I still encouraged our relationship in spite of this, I suppose I viewed our father-daughter relationship separately outside of what he did/didn't do to my mum.

Anyway, fast forward to last year and things have settled down a bit. Mum is moving on with her life and Dad married Betsy.

Since he left mum, I've made it very clear I want fuck all nothing to do with Betsy. I know it's very childish and ridiculous but I do blame her for the breakdown of the marriage and, rightly or wrongly, I have no desire to have anything to do with her whatsoever. I obviously wasn't invited to the wedding (nor would I have gone).

Dad and I have maintained a reasonable amount of contact over the years although we are definitely not as close. I think I forgot to mention that mum, dad and betsy all live in Australia so I don't have lots of contact with them.

Dad used to call me about once a month or so but this has gradually decreased. He has visited the UK a couple of times but has stayed with his parents or in a hotel (obviously he can't stay at mine as Betsy is with him) and over the course of a three week holiday he managed to see me twice and not for very long. He mentioned that he can't see me too often because he has to "Palm Betsy off to a coffee shop" - cue major row that his wife is fucking incapable of entertaining herself without my dad for a prolonged period of time. She lives with him all the time - is it too much to ask that she steps aside so I can spend time with my father?!

Anyway, that's all back story - here is my AIBU. Last September I gave birth to DS who is absolutely amazing - PFB and all that but I bloody love him to bits and obviously think he's the most incredible kid ever!

When he was born, father never sent a card to congratulate. At Christmas he never sent a card either (not for me/DH not DS). This was very odd, he has always sent cards for birthdays, Christmas etc.

By the way, this is his first grandchild.

Anyway, more importantly, not only has he not sent cards, he just generally doesn't appear to give a shit. Since I've had DS, he hasn't called once - I've had to call him or text him. He doesn't even email to ask how he is and when I send photos of DS, I just get a short response like "cute x" or "lovely photos x".

So in January this year, I brought it up over the phone. I got really emotional, cried a lot and asked what was going on. It was the most bizarre conversation but he basically agreed he hadn't made much of an effort but wouldn't really give a reason why.

At first he tried to say it was because he thought I didn't want him to have anything to do with DS?! I had a long birth with emergency c-sec and didn't tell him that DS had arrived until three days after he was born. Apparently he was pissed off as DH had text my mum after the birth to say DS was here and, reading between the lines, that pissed him off that she knew before him (he found out through my brother I think).

During the phone call I kept trying to move things forward by saying well the past is the past but I do want you in DS's life so can we just move forward and you step up to the plate and be his grandad? He was silent and wouldn't answer the question despite me repeating it many times. Eventually he said he wanted to be a part of DS's life but it was difficult and he didn't know how?! All very strange and would not elaborate any further. We finally ended the conversation by him reluctantly agreeing to make more of an effort and call and ask about DS.

Since January - nothing. He hasn't contacted me at all. It was his birthday recently and I called to wish him happy birthday and asked why he hadn't at least text to see how DS was doing and he said "he had been busy". That was it.

I would like to send him a letter or email to tell him how I'm feeling in black and white. He tends to twist things over the telephone and is the type of man who can NEVER admit being in the wrong. Classic example - he says he left mum for the good of the whole family because they were unhappy and not good together. He said he hadn't made an effort with DS because he thought that's what I wanted (random!) and he'd "made his peace with that".

As far as I'm concerned I've given him ample opportunity to make an effort with my now 6.5 month old DS and he hasn't and I'm really fucking offended.

DH tells me to just go NC - father obviously isn't going to get in touch so he said I too should stop calling, sending photos when he clearly isn't interested. I agree but would like to send some kind of final email/letter. In his mind, he will have twisted this whole thing into some bizarre situation where he doesn't have anything to do with his grandson because of me. When friends and family ask about DS, I can just picture him shaking his head and saying "I don't know how he's doing, I haven't heard from my daughter in months. She doesn't even send me pictures." So would it BU to send a letter basically saying that we are here when he decides he wants a daughter and grandson but that this lack of contact is solely down to him and isn't something that I want.

I have a few theories why he doesn't want anything to do with my DS. The first and most probable (reading between the lines in our conversations) is that I don't want anything to do with Betsy so why should he bother with my family. Another possible theory is that he and Betsy are trying to have children and possibly having fertility issues Betsy is late 30s and didn't have children before she met my dad. This makes sense when I consider his "it's too difficult" comments about having a relationship with DS. I also wonder whether he himself feels he is too young to be a grandad. He was a lot younger than my mum and is only in his 40s now and since he met Betsy has started doing things he used to do as a youngster like buying a drum set and going to concerts, motor biking etc.

By the way - I'm fully aware I'm BU (and childish) about not accepting Betsy and refusing to have anything to do with her but surely he (as the parent) shouldn't refuse to accept my DS because of this.

In case you couldn't tell by the length of this - this is something that bothers me tremendously. I'm massively offended he doesn't seem to care about DS and this behaviour is something I would never have expected from him. I've always been close with my dad growing up and I would have thought he would be over the moon with having his first grandson.

It's not healthy for me to keep dwelling on this so I would really like to put the ball in his court so to speak and let him know that the door is open but it's him that keeps closing it, not me. AIBU to send a letter to this effect or is DH right and should I just not make any more effort at all?

Thanks for reading!

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smalllondon · 16/04/2016 13:44

I think you are getting a bit of a hard time here. Whilst obviously in an ideal world you could accept Betsy and at least act out happy families on the limited times you would see each other due to proximity BUT you've quite clearly stated that you aren't able to do that so got to think of alternatives. It can be traumatic to see your Mother hurt and I can totally understand why you have a mental block towards Betsy (rightly or wrongly). You were raised to see your father as a guardian figure so it must be hard for to that your Dad isn't putting you and your son first and showing the level of interest and affection you crave and grew up to expect.

I think for your own personal closure send that letter/email. Be firm but kind and let him know that it is now up to him. Hopefully that will ease your mind and give your dad some perspective and the space to weigh up his past and future actions.

Just remember life is fluid, things do change over time and his feelings may change and also your feelings towards Betsy may soften so I think you're best to send whatever letter/email you feel you need to then try and forget about it and enjoy those that do show you the affection you deserve.

Theoretician · 16/04/2016 13:46

Bonding has got nothing to do with how a baby is related to you. It's a consequence of (large amounts of) time spent together. If that time is not going to happen, then I think you are wrong to expect there to be any bond. The reason he's not saying anything is that he doesn't know how to tell you this is.

Anonymous1000 · 16/04/2016 13:46

Thanks everyone for getting to the end of my post and giving some input.

I do appreciate my views of Betsy are probably at the heart of it but I found it strange how I've never accepted her and my dad and I have maintained contact yet he decides to cut contact once DS was born when I have been no more/less vocal about my views of his wife.

It's just such a sad situation, we were so close. I know I am being childish about Betsy, I can look at the situation objectively and realise that but its extremely difficult for me to bury my feelings. It turns my stomach to think of sitting around a dinner table with her sharing a meal and laughing together after knowing the despair that my mother went through (I've spared this thread of the details).

I also try and think of myself in my father's position. If I left DH to be with someone else then I wouldn't expect DS to have anything to do with my new partner if he didn't want to. I would still have a relationship with DS even if he despised my new partner and I would like to think I would always put DS first and my new partner would need to know that no matter how old DS was, and how much he hated new partner, DS would always come first and new partner second. This is even the same with DH, we both know that DS comes first. On the other hand, I feel like my dad puts Betsy first and his children come after.

To answer a few of your questions - my dad has one other child - my brother (technically step brother) who is 16 and lives with my mum and also wants nothing to do with Betsy. Also, I didn't tell him about DS's birth until 3 days after as that's when I got home from hospital. In hospital, I had no reception and couldn't connect to the wifi so I had no contact with anyone for 3 days so the birth announcements were done at home. I understand my mum had got in touch with DH to see how things were going (I was overdue) so he had been keeping her updated. Dad never asked me or DH how I was doing unless I happened to call him.

I can imagine he feels very conflicted - I agree with the poster who said Betsy's voice will be the loudest and she has (perhaps rightly so) stopped reminding him to send cards. I don't think I'm BU to expect one for the birth of my son though from my own father.

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diddl · 16/04/2016 13:51

"after knowing the despair that my mother went through (I've spared this thread of the details)."

Which was caused by him, not Betsy.

Anonymous1000 · 16/04/2016 13:53

Thank you guiltypleasures001. I agree with everything you said.

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BoatyMcBoat · 16/04/2016 13:53

I agree, you are an adult now with your own child. If you want your dad to be a bigger part of your life and your ds', you are going to have to allow your dad to include his wife in that.

Anonymous1000 · 16/04/2016 13:54

Which was caused by him, not Betsy

Completely agree. I can't find it in myself to be angry at my father though, I adore him so much. I imagine my upset in this situation has transferred to Betsy.

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QOD · 16/04/2016 13:54

Is your Bro not your half brother?

Anonymous1000 · 16/04/2016 13:55

Thank you smalllondon - very helpful.

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BoneyBackJefferson · 16/04/2016 13:56

my dad has one other child - my brother (technically step brother) who is 16 and lives with my mum and also wants nothing to do with Betsy.

Given the pressure put on you to not have anything to do with him, it is that much of a surprise that someone who lived with those feelings being pushed on to him has nothing to do with his father?

Anonymous1000 · 16/04/2016 13:57

Is your Bro not your half brother?

Blush yes. Oops. Can I blame baby brain or perhaps the fact I'm a bit emotional?!

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Anonymous1000 · 16/04/2016 14:01

I think you come across as quite nasty, really. You belittle Betsy at every opportunity - this line was quite unbelievable: "his wife is fucking incapable of entertaining herself without my dad for a prolonged period of time." You are a grown woman, ffs

My goodness, it's a good job I didn't post some of the other things I think about Betsy. I dread to think what you'd say about me then. Wink

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diddl · 16/04/2016 14:03

"I can't find it in myself to be angry at my father though, I adore him so much."

I think that if you want a relationship then you need to accept Betsy.

Whether or not your Dad still wants a relationship I can't tell tbh.

It would seem from his lack of contact that he isn't that bothered.

It could be that he's not bothering because of Betsy.

228agreenend · 16/04/2016 14:06

I don't think your dad is being a twat. Long distance relationships are difficult, at the best of time. You not accepting Betsy, rightly or wrongly, has pushed him away.

It would be interesting to know whether Betsy did buy all the cards, because if so, she is the one maintaining the relationship, not him, and has encouraged him to stay in contact. Men are notorious at buying cards etc, so maybe it didn't cross his mind to buy and send one.r

Alternatively Betsy dislikes you and is preventing him contacting you.

JuxtapositionRecords · 16/04/2016 14:23

I know I will sound harsh here, but you take no interest in his life so why should he take interest in yours? Yes he is the parent, but you are both adults. Your DS is the most important person in YOUR life, but Betsy is very likely the most important person in HIS life. It must hurt him that you ignore her (and reading between the lines, say negative things about her to him/other family members) as much as it hurts you that he doesn't ask after your DS.

Until you accept Betsy I don't think you can expect to have a good relationship with your dad.

CocktailQueen · 16/04/2016 14:23

Regardless of your feelings about Betsy, IT WAS YOUR STEP DAD WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR BREAKING UP HIS MARRIAGE. Not Betsy.

I think you have some choices. You could apologise to your dad, say you'd like bygones to be bygones, and meet Betsy and make an effort.

Or you could accept that he sees you as a step child, not his child, and has moved on from you - sad, but seems to be what he's saying.

Either way, I don't think there's any point in sending a letter for 'closure' - you got all that in your phone call.

Very sad, OP - Flowers for you. Perhaps you should concentrate on your dh, ds, and other family and just go nc with your step dad.

TheNotoriousPMT · 16/04/2016 14:28

You sound a bit mixed up.

I think that you are deeply angry with your father for abandoning your mother and you. I also think (not sure you'll like this, but you did ask...) that on some level you would like to punish your father for what he has done.

By refusing to see Betsy, you force your father to choose between his first family and his second. (It's a false choice, he chose when he walked out) You will not allow him to see his grandson unless he abandons, however temporarily, his current wife. This is the punishment that you are inflicting on him.

Do what you want; there's always far more to a family than can be typed in one post, but remember that we don't forgive people who have wronged us for their sake, we do it for ours.

BestZebbie · 16/04/2016 14:31

YANBU, he is being a twat.

Poikjhvcx · 16/04/2016 14:38

I think you are being unfair to Betsy and I'm not suprised that your father doesn't see the point of going out of his way to stay in contact. He is probably thinking that there isn't much point building up a relationship with a child that will be very difficult for him to see.

He is probably trying to protect his feelings. The fact that he still was trying to keep in touch and see you despite the fact you wouldn't see Betsy shows that he was trying to do the right thing.

I don't think it's 'childish' that you refuse to see Betsy but want to see your Dad, I see it as controlling and nasty. It would be more understandable if you refused to see either of them.

Being offended about cards is also OTT, you are reading too much into it.

Rather than perpetuating the unpleasantness and drama how about deciding to try and end it. Send a friendly letter to both of them and apologise for your behavior and tell them that you would love to restart your relationship. Perhaps suggest you could all meet up next time they are in the UK. You don't all have to be best friends but surely meeting up from time to time would be nice.

BTW I'm a bit Hmm about all the posters commenting on the Dad being a stepdad - the OP has clearly said he is her 'Dad'

EverySongbirdSays · 16/04/2016 14:48

If you lived in Australia you would have probably accepted Betsy as a fact of life by now, if you wanted to see your Dad, spend time at his home etc. I would wait til you next travel there and then take your DS round to his house and finally get to know Betsy, who you know, you might actually like.

pastaofplenty · 16/04/2016 15:02

OP - how old were you when your stepfather met your DM?

paxillin · 16/04/2016 15:03

Did he used to write cards when with your mum or did she do it like so many women? I agree with pps, Betsy used to buy the cards and reminded him to call. Many families still work like that. When Betsy realised you continue to want nothing to do with her, she stopped. He, having never done it, doesn't manage to buy cards and keep a birthday calendar. He has no idea how much gentle contact keeping Betsy did (he only signed the cards in front of him), saw it as wife's work and has no idea why you stopped contacting him.

Snoringlittlemonkey · 16/04/2016 15:05

What age were you when your step dad got together with your mum?

I agree with pp who said he probably sees you as a step child rather than biological child. Your comment about always putting your DS first doesn't really apply in this situation. You have very strong biological and emotional ties with your own child and I think sadly he doesn't view you in that way. Deep down think that might be part of your anger and resentment as well as what happened between him and your mum.

Anonymous1000 · 16/04/2016 15:26

What age were you when your step dad got together with your mum?

I was about 4/5 when they got together.

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NotReallySureNow · 16/04/2016 15:31

I think that your dad has treated you badly but IMO this comes down to the fact he doesn't see you as his daughter any more. Betsy may or may not have got fed up of it and started to say things which have caused him to start to sever ties. You can't cut off his wife and ask him to be there for your child especially when he's at the other side of the world. He probably doesn't feel he can get involved with your child not only for practical reasons but whilst you and he had a close relationship he hasn't met your son and they are not blood relatives so I think you are asking too much of him. Your alienation of Betsy has forced him into a making a decision and he has chosen her.