Aibu to not give a rats about the rats

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I was listing to the radio today and the topic was the state of wormwood scrubs

They talk about conditions being dekensian rats as big as you like and having to go loo in your room

Well my initial thoughts are you don't have to rape, kill or mame one would imagine if you wanted to poo in private you would have opted not commit offensives the conditions are that bad a yet back they go so in my view the conditions can not be terrible

For me the reasons I don't comment crimes partly because I don't want to brake the law but partly because I don't want to be strip searched made to squat , poo in front of others and have rats nibbling at my toes

It's nit nice to have to live like that but to be honest one would imagine it's not grate to love with the after math of rape , or the killing of a loved one witch will last a lot longer than any sentence also there are lot of people living in the U.K. Who have not committed crimes who live in squalid conditions due to no fault of there own rouge landlords and poor councils ect they should be first in line not some scrout who's killed some old lady

im not shedding too many tears over the room conditions of some criminals, but I think that there are so many social factors to crime, and harsh punishment doesnt cut reoffending, and creates more problems, such as prisoners leaving prison with a drug habit that they didnt go in with, because there is no other way to cope, and then of course that makes reoffending rates higher. Doesnt seem fair if someone has only gone in for non payment of council tax or a combination of smaller crimes that have been down to circumstance

There are some nasty fuckers on this thread and I'm not talking about the OP.

I'm dyslexic and so is my dd. I could rant for ages about how horrible it feels to not enable to use spelling and grammar properly but I can't be arsed.
You can all have a

its shit to pick apart peoples grammar. It makes me grateful we dont communicate in maths or id be ripped to shit

*.People are making fun of the spelling because it is a symbolic of the ignorance of the opinions being expressed. Form and content of the opening post are equally crappy- that's the point.
Obviously, this doesn't mean that anyone would be sneering at a well meaning person with dyslexia, or a well meaning person who just doesn't have much skill with words. *
at the above, how do you know if posters have dyslexia or not?

Well op managed spelling and grammar just fine in the second post.

Well said Mrs T P

I don't know why it's acceptable to say that you're rubbish at maths but if you struggle with spelling you get ridiculed.

Maths and spelling are both things that you (generally) get better at the more you practice them. Yet you never see people laughing at someone because they got the wrong answer to 6 x 8.

There are some nasty fuckers on this thread and I'm not talking about the OP

Yep.

Getting back to the OP, I know nothing about Wormwood but if conditions are as bad as described then that's definitely wrong.

One of my sons went to prison when he was young (not Wormwood) and the things he hated the most were his loss of freedom and having to defend himself against other prisoners. He never complained of being hungry or cold, not having access to medical care or not having a tv because he couldn't afford a licence etc.

So, although I don't agree with the OP regarding conditions at Wormwood, I do think she makes a valid point that there are people outside of prison (i.e. old people suriving only on a state pension) who don't have enough to eat and aren't able to keep properly warm etc. but they just quietly exist without anyone really noticing.

Oh and OP, YABU. But not because of any spelling errors, it was clear what you meant.

My Sister's student house had a rat in it. Conditions were filthy, couldn't stay there for more that one night. She and her friends however stayed for three years.

It was absolutely clear what the OP meant, agreed. It's just breathtaking in its ignorance and short-sightedness.

The op was pretty clear despite the spelling and grammar, if other posters can't understand it or mentally swap the wrong words for the correct ones then maybe it's you with the problem!

Why should the op have to put a disclaimer that she might have dyslexia? It's one else's business and you wouldn't expect someone with a disability to have to announce it to everyone if the wanted to use the disabled toilet for instance.

Also, just because there were errors in the op some people think that means the op can't have an opinion?!

Some MNetters are fucking odd and I wish people could go to prison for just being a twat and picking on someone's spelling and grammar!

Really, can all you smug twats just fuck off with your spelling and grammar crusade.

See, the problem is that OP's overall message was well in line with the atrocious spelling and grammar. Something to be shouted over a pub table after you've had your 8 pints, at your equally drunk pals, giving out about the injustice in this world.
Way too populistic to attract any serious attention and discussion, so forgive me if the original message, if there were any, got lost in bad spelling and overemotional ranting.

So the OP has a simplistic view on something. Or an opinion you disagree with. Nothing wrong with not agreeing, but maybe posters engaging in actual discussion (like MrsTerryPrachet) will help the OP to understand the wider issues. Ripping apart their spelling and grammar certainly won't. And it's a horrible playground bullying mentality to do that. At least the OP is trying to engage in a discussion. Is it fair to actively discourage people from doing that because their literacy isn't up to some arbitrary MN standard. Or that their ideas or opinions don't gel with the 'accepted norm'?

Do you believe that prisons really do help rehabilitate people?

I think in the UK they currently do a very poor job of this.

But it's possible. The first thing is to make people safe in prison. Safe from each other, safe from rats, safe from harm. Because if you take away someone's freedom, you owe them basic safety. It is the loss of liberty that is the punishment. Not some random, arbitrary 'punishment' meted out by Big Ron and some rats.

Then work out what the offending is about; money, trauma, addiction, MH/LD/PD and sort that out. I would also have smaller, more community integrated units; like small shelters. Drug treatment, counselling, education as standard.

I would keep sadistic-violent offenders inside, particularly sex offenders. Because I think the risk of re-offending is too great and the harm to people is too enormous to risk. But they are the only ones. And they would have a decent, basic standard of living in there.

Bah just bring back the death penalty for jay walking OP.

I would like to rehabilitate people who steal, things like that but I am not interested in murders and pepole who harm or abuse small children, of the vulneable in away.

keeping rats under control however is a public duty, where anyone has rats we are all obligated to cull them or control them.

I agree about pulling apart ops spelling, ridiculous.

keeping rats under control however is a public duty, where anyone has rats we are all obligated to cull them or control them

Is that personal opinion, or the law ?