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Aibu to not give a rats about the rats

69 replies

Catvsworld · 12/04/2016 20:29

I was listing to the radio today and the topic was the state of wormwood scrubs

They talk about conditions being dekensian rats as big as you like and having to go loo in your room

Well my initial thoughts are you don't have to rape, kill or mame one would imagine if you wanted to poo in private you would have opted not commit offensives the conditions are that bad a yet back they go so in my view the conditions can not be terrible

For me the reasons I don't comment crimes partly because I don't want to brake the law but partly because I don't want to be strip searched made to squat , poo in front of others and have rats nibbling at my toes

It's nit nice to have to live like that but to be honest one would imagine it's not grate to love with the after math of rape , or the killing of a loved one witch will last a lot longer than any sentence also there are lot of people living in the U.K. Who have not committed crimes who live in squalid conditions due to no fault of there own rouge landlords and poor councils ect they should be first in line not some scrout who's killed some old lady

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bolleauxnouveau · 13/04/2016 00:45

I recall a poster well known for her bad spelling who had quite a following.
Not sure what mumsnet at it's worst is, that' s subjective.

I found it difficult to take the op seriously, I've said before that we're all products of nature and nurture. It' s easy to be the best person you can be when you have all the support you need, desperation can turn people into monsters, but some people choose to do monstrous things even when they aren't desperate.

I doubt mumsnet has all the answers, but the opinions (informed or otherwise) are an education.

amarmai · 13/04/2016 01:03

mocking a poster for spelling and grammar errors instead of addressing their pov is pretty low on any forum IMO.

Broken1Girl · 13/04/2016 01:08

How vile. You, not the rats.
That

Crabbitface · 13/04/2016 01:08

I agree amarmai. Listen to what is being said not how it is being said.

Dollymixtureyumyum · 13/04/2016 01:23

Judging someone on their spelling and grammar is very low. I have dyslexia and I would much rather have issues with my spelling and grammar then be ignorant and judgemental

Dollymixtureyumyum · 13/04/2016 01:26

And to add spelling and grammar police are the very reason I feel I need to explain totally strangers about my dyslexia every time I have to write in front of people

InionEile · 13/04/2016 02:13

I got through the first three lines of your post and then gave up because your spelling and grammar is horrifying. If there were a rat-infested jail for crimes against the English language, you'd be in it.

InionEile · 13/04/2016 02:15

Your writing is excellent by comparison, Dolly so no need to worry in that regard. If the OP were dyslexic s/he could always have noted that in her post as a heads-up to other readers.

ProfessorPreciseaBug · 13/04/2016 03:41

It is very easy to focus on conditions in prison. Prisons are well signposted and easy to find. A simple look around will give you lots to write about..

However it is extremely difficult to write reports about the lives of the victims of the events that lead to the criminals being in clink. The victims are hidden in full view. When a scumbag stole my partners bike, they stole from me the entire savings of six months work. I felt that my life had been violated and six monts taken from me.

I once met a rape victim. It was clear she could not have a normal relation with a man on account of what happened to her. Her life had been destroyed in much the same way that Hanrattys rape victim was left scared for life and never had another relationship but everyone talks about Hanratty because he was news. I think the OP has a findamental point.

And regards spelling..., not everyone had the benefit of good education. It is condecending at its worst to criticise someone for the consequences if their misfirtune.

ProfessorPreciseaBug · 13/04/2016 03:42

Bugger, ..Another couple of typos... but there is no edit to correct them!

Spandexpants007 · 13/04/2016 04:43

I heard part of this on the radio. I think that the prisoners must have a better basic standard of living because one of the aims of prison is to rehabilitate. Living in a Dickensian prison would work against rehabilitation

MartinaJ · 13/04/2016 05:01

I sincerely hope somewhere and somehow there is a law which can you to prison for atrocious grammar and spelling. With a clause pointing out that for anything else there is spell-check and Google.

MartinaJ · 13/04/2016 05:01

send you to prison, that is

DropYourSword · 13/04/2016 05:36

Really, can all you smug twats just fuck off with your spelling and grammar crusade.

I read the OP and it's perfectly clear what the OP meant. If you don't agree with it, fine, discuss the issue. But this piss poor pile-on is pathetic and ridiculous.

MrsTerryPratchett · 13/04/2016 05:43

Apart from the usual pulling apart of grammar and spelling...

Reasons it matters:

  1. There are many remand prisoners at WS (so they may be innocent people).
  2. How we treat the lowest in our society is what we should be judged on.
  3. Prison in out country is not based on punishment, solely. It is based on public safety (criminals are locked up), rehabilitation (we want them not to offend again) and punishment. If we only care about punishment, we neglect rehabilitation. Which means you either need to deal with a higher crime rate or keep everyone locked up for ever (which is really expensive). I'd rather have a lower crime rate on the cheap, thanks.
  4. WS is Cat B which means that it may well not be full to the gunnels with murderers, rapists and maimers (not a word).
  5. Prisons are full of very vulnerable people; people with MH and addictions, abuse survivors, people with LDs. I don't want people who have vulnerabilities like those sharing with rats. I don't want anyone sharing with rats but particularly not vulnerable people.
  6. Frequently and horribly, the criminals and the victims are the same people.

I have spent a lot of time in prisons and with offenders.

DropYourSword · 13/04/2016 06:00

MrsTP I'm genuinely interested in this....Do you believe that prisons really do help rehabilitate people? I would like to think that they do but pretty much believe that they actually don't and it's all just lip service.

Bubbinsmakesthree · 13/04/2016 06:11

Great post MrsTP

Lovelydiscusfish · 13/04/2016 06:59

Appalled by most of the responses on this thread.

I find it staggering that many of you care so passionately about the rights of convicted criminals to decent living conditions (nothing wrong with this position, but it is not the only permitted one), yet think nothing of, indeed seemingly actually enjoy, mocking and humiliating a woman for making spelling and grammatical errors. Indeed, a number of posters have stated that they wish OP could be sent to prison for making these errors. How can you not see that these comments expose prejudice? They imply that you want people without a high standard of education to be silenced.

What about those prisoners who struggle with their literacy; what do you make of them? Do they deserve your compassion, because they are convicted criminals, or your mockery because they can't spell?

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Catvsworld · 13/04/2016 07:10

This happens a lot on here when people cannot make good points they attack your spelling and grammar and say it's justified be caused they don't like what your saying

Making personal attacks because you don't like what Somone is saying says more about who you are than me really attack on the points

Those who claim they don't understand what the post says are clearly being in truthful and are using that to mock and again says more about you than me I have not once attacked any poster personally

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Dollymixtureyumyum · 13/04/2016 07:13

Wow people actually have put on this thread that people should be put in prison for poor spelling and grammar. Comparing that to being a criminal is just sick and wrong Angry
As I said I have dyslexia and had to write on a board in front of 50 odd people the other day and I know I got spellings wrong and poss my grammar was not great, it's so horrible to think that if some posters on here would have been amongst that 50 people I would have been sniggered at and ridiculed Sad

hesterton · 13/04/2016 07:20

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claraschu · 13/04/2016 07:30

People are making fun of the spelling because it is a symbolic of the ignorance of the opinions being expressed. Form and content of the opening post are equally crappy- that's the point.

Obviously, this doesn't mean that anyone would be sneering at a well meaning person with dyslexia, or a well meaning person who just doesn't have much skill with words.

It's still kind of stupid just to comment on the grammar and spelling here, but plenty of people have also addressed the real issues.

GreenishMe · 13/04/2016 07:31

This thread reminds me of the 'mean girls' at school.

They probably played a big part in why some of us couldn't wait to get out before our education was complete.

Ifailed · 13/04/2016 07:32

to address the OPs original point. I think we all agree that imprisonment is meant to be a punishment, denying a person their freedom and living in an enforced regime is certainly a punishment for most. Once imprisoned, what should we do with the inmates? treat them harshly, offer no support or training and leave them to rot in a gang-led violent hierarchy , or do we offer counselling, training and education? The USA does the former, Sweden the latter, and the rate of recidivism is far lower in Sweden.
There are some people who I, and probably others, would happily throw in a hole and forget about given the horrendous nature of their crime, but for the vast majority prison is part of a journey that is somewhat predictable but one that can be changed.
That said, the level of support for victims of crime can be woeful. I believe that a society than can afford to be the 3rd largest spender on the military in the world (after the US and China), could divert some of that money to improving the support of victims and perpetrators of crime.

hesterton · 13/04/2016 07:34

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