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AIBU?

To be upset by the remarks of a psychic?

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EverySongbirdSays · 05/04/2016 18:58

Obviously I do know that most psychics are charlatans and this one certainly was. Nothing he told me was spontaneous and was all based off my answers to his questions. He said some pretty harsh things though - AIBU to be upset by them even though I know it's absolute rot.

  1. It's too late for me and I won't have natural children. I'm 34.

  2. I go after guys that are out of my league (whatever that is)

  3. can we talk about my weight? Would I go out with a fat person?

  4. I'll probably never marry and should get a cat!

    Somebody help me see the funny side here I'm a bit upset even though I shouldn't be.

    COST : £35
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Fontella · 05/04/2016 21:12

A tarot reading (if there is anything in it) ... There isn't. How can there be? There is no such thing as magic.

It's got fuck all to do with 'magic'. Who, anywhere on this thread, least of all me, has even mentioned the word - apart from you?

I have been studying the Tarot for over 20 years - origins, history and how it even came to used as a method of divination in the first place and it is not something a smartass on a forum can write off with a one liner that easily.

Who are you to say what is possible? Have you ever looked into quantum theory, or the research of Carl Jung and his theory of synchronicity?

Science in 2016 does not have all the answers to everything. I am a huge sceptic about all things woo, but the Tarot deserves a little more scholarly exploration than just writing it off as 'magic' - which incidentally, none of the tarot readers on here have attempted to do. Even as an artistic and historical entity the Tarot has merit and for that alone, it's worthy of study.

Read my posts on MN and you will see I am the most cynical, hard-nosed sceptical person about everything, but I also have nearly 1,000 pages of self-penned research into the Tarot and it's not quite so easy to dismiss as a lot of other woo.

99.9% of so called psychics are frauds or self deluded in my opinion and based upon my personal research. But does that mean I'm going to write off a fascinating, historical, artistic and beautiful 78 card deck in all its incarnations and guises, on the basis of that?

Just because fakers use it as a prop to their so called 'psychic' readings doesn't mean the Tarot isn't deserving of research, investigation and an open mind. If it's bollocks it's bollocks, but for some of us, it has provided a focus of real interest and no one, certainly not here, has ever claimed it is 'magic'.

The OP has been scammed by a fraudster and paid £35 for the privilege. No arguments there. But is that going to stop mine (and others it would seem) interest in the Tarot?

Nope.

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Itinerary · 05/04/2016 21:12

Ignore the "predictions" OP, they are codswallop.

What are you going to do with your next £35? You could treat yourself to something lovely.

Don't get a cat

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EverySongbirdSays · 05/04/2016 21:13

When I do Tarot I get the person to pick 20 cards and put them in a spread called the Celtic Cross, I tell them to focus on a question but not tell me I tell them what the cards mean and what they mean in relation to the place they've ended up in the spread. Then ask them if it makes sense it usually does but never really predicts the future. Best one was, I did a reading for a friend and based off the cards said "If I didn't know better I'd have said you were pregnant" - SHE WAS! So not a prediction but she hadn't told me.

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EverySongbirdSays · 05/04/2016 21:20

Fontella I love the Tarot I'd love to read your research. The thing is - I picked out 12 cards from 2 decks some of them I knew but it wasn't the deck i use, but I didn't know the 'rules' of the spread he was using so I couldn't just read for myself.

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EverySongbirdSays · 05/04/2016 21:21

Next £35? Probably something safer like the theatre.

I think Cats is on shortly LOL

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DryShampoo · 05/04/2016 21:23

OP, you would perfectly reasonably have been upset if someone commented negatively on your weight/marital prospects at a bus stop, so don't give the 'psychic' twaddle any weight. An unpleasant man told you you were over the hill, podgy and had unrealistic taste in men, and because you are a gullible person at a low point, some runes were involved and you paid him out of some misplaced politeness, you're worried this idiot has a hotline to the universe.

Allow yourself to feel annoyed some idiot said this stuff to you, but don't worry about it 'coming true' simply because he said it.

The only time in my life I was persuaded to see a psychic I was also at a real low point (as with you, the two things aren't unrelated!) -- temporarily disabled, living back with my parents, applying rather hopelessly for very competitive postgraduate scholarships. Madam Chainsmoker foresaw what she considered a great future for a lame, overweight young woman with no obvious looks or wealth. II was definitely finished with studying (which she clearly considered a waste of time), would never live overseas again (again, this was intended to be reassuring - for her, living abroad was for tragic economic migrants who would rather be at home) , but would move in with my boyfriend locally, start a small business and get pregnant with a daughter the following spring. I wasn't impressed.

It may not surprise you to hear that I went on to win a prestigious international scholarship, got two Oxbridge postgrad degrees, work in a professional field, and have not lived in my home country but on three different continents since. My only child, a son, was born eighteen years later. In autumn. Grin

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Fontella · 05/04/2016 21:27

When I do Tarot I get the person to pick 20 cards and put them in a spread called the Celtic Cross

That's a funny old 'Celtic Cross' reading - which is usually 10 cards.

I'm sure you also know that Tarot has fuck all to do with the Celts who predate it by at least 2,000 years. That again is an example of a charlatan trying to link Tarot to a mysterious and esoteric race of people shrouded in history. A Druid would never have clapped eyes on a Tarot card, which didn't even exist until 1500 plus years after the last Druid was slaughtered on the shores of the Menai Straits.

If you go on youtube there is even an example of a tarot reader doing a Celtic cross reading and saying - 'this was how it was used in ancient Ireland'. Utter bollocks,

They've also tried to link it to Ancient Egypt and Romany Gypsies. Again - fabricated bullshit.

The Tarot is a 15th century invention and began as a card game in the courts and stately houses of Europe. It's origins are probably in northern Italy around the region of the Taro river - hence the name. Only very very rich people could afford to commission artists to hand paint their decks and it needed the invention of parchment, and later paper in order for cards to be produced in the first place. There was no occult meaning to Tarot cards when they first came into being. They were a game - like our playing cards, draughts, chess and so on. They were hijacked later on by occultists and adapted into the somewhat 'sinister' items they are perceived to be today.

Apart from that - I do agree with you there are cards within the deck that denote pregnancy, childbirth and new arrivals. Not when and where specifically, but yes - the possibility.

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Witchend · 05/04/2016 21:28

And also... If any of these so called psychics were true... How come they're stuck in rather grotty seaside towns getting people to pay £35 rather than winning the lottery every week?

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EverySongbirdSays · 05/04/2016 21:35

That is reassurring Shampoo

I do know I'm being stupid

And it is basically the equivalent of random bus stop stranger projecting his assumptions about me onwards based on very little.

It was almost cheeky - the extent to which he was just basically asking me questions and then pretending he had already known the answer, it was ridiculous.

Like....How many siblings do you have? And what are their names? And how many children do they have? Fucking hell like! You tell me!

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loveyoulikeaplanet · 05/04/2016 21:35

OP, when I was studying psychology I read tarot for numerous people as I was fascinated by 'cognitive bias'. Friends, family and associates indulged my thesis. I told everyone it was a silly 'game' just for me and wasn't part of an ethically approved experiment or anything. Because it wasn't!.

Still; People told me I had a 'gift' and was seeing their lives. That my 'game' had exposed my psychic abilities.

I made it up. All of it. As a MH practitioner I think I can guess what is happening/what has happened for people from their reactions to questions/situations.

I 'read' tarot cards (which really tell people reading what to say about the cards). Then added what I thought was obvious from the person in front of me and their reactions to what I said.

I never said I was psychic or gifted - I said I didn't believe in it and was trying to prove how people use cognitive bias and their desire to believe in 'something bigger' or 'greater or unexplained'.

I had normally rationally thinking friends tell me that I'd predicted events or sensed and verbalised situations they'd kept hidden. And had previously non- sceptical friends want to take me to 'spiritual' forums. So I went to psychic/spiritual/woo events or celebrations/ days and enjoyed them. And had 'psychics' approaching me and advising me of my powers lol.

So, no matter what I say about making it up, for some people I'm seen as a psychic who can't accept her abilities. A bit like the little boy in sixth sense.

If you believe that then yes - I could read for you but I'd really prefer that you stop thinking about the future and do what you feel is right for you now.

You might be wrong but normally, you're right. You just want someone else to tell you you are.

So listen to you and not the numerous charlatans who seek to exploit you from a deliberate way or those that think (delusional) that they can help supernaturally X

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AtrociousCircumstance · 05/04/2016 21:36

You're upset because you're scared he's right, yes, but also...you're upset because someone has been very nasty to you, for their own unknowable reasons (probably just his own emotional crap making him vicious) and it hurt. Just as if some fucker had shouted insults at you in the street. It hurts when people are cruel to us and it takes a little time to recover.

This man has no power over anything and has absolutely zero ability to foresee the future. He wanted to be cruel because he was feeling shit about something in his own sorry life. He took it out on you and you are feeling it.

Just know enjoy the fact that he has his own misery prompting his malice.

Your future is yours: dazzling, wonderful and unexpected things shall happen Smile

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EverySongbirdSays · 05/04/2016 21:41

Fontella

Yeah I do Celtic Cross Covered - Celtic Cross is 10 but with covered you get an extra card per space just for more info.

What is with the association to Carcassone? Is that a real thing? T

Yeah she got Empress, Ace of Cups and Page Of Cups in the same spread.

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frumpet · 05/04/2016 21:44

OK I will have a go as a not psychic .

  1. You very rarely listen to your own advice , start doing that !


  1. You have everything within you to achieve your goals if only you would believe it was possible .


  1. You are stronger than you think , look at what you have faced and are still standing !


  1. Stop looking for perfect and start looking for perfect for you


Said your great aunt Betty ( possibly known as a variety of other names )

That will be £29.99 , paypal is fine , shall I message you my address ? Wink
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EverySongbirdSays · 05/04/2016 21:47

loveyoulikeaplanet that's really interesting I don't consider myself to have any psychic ability but it is weird how people do pick cards which resonate with whatever it is they are going through instead of just random collection of stuff that doesnt apply. Or at least they feel they have.

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lorelei9here · 05/04/2016 21:47

OP so he asks questions and does tarot? He needs a hell of a head start!
What did he ask btw?

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lorelei9here · 05/04/2016 21:48

Sorry, I mean what else did he ask...I find asking about family super weird.

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EverySongbirdSays · 05/04/2016 21:48

AtrociousCircumstance - I love your name and thanks for a thoughtful and sensitive post.

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EverySongbirdSays · 05/04/2016 21:53

What else did he ask? lorelei

Fuck what didn't he ask!

How old I was - what I did for a job - what my relationship was like with my Mum - how long ago my last relationship was and why - there was nothing that he simply told me because he knew it, unlike the first I ever saw, who described in great detail the area and the street I had yet to move to and did not move to for another 8 months.

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frumpet · 05/04/2016 21:53

I say this as someone who very occasionally sees a psychic , mainly because I see it as therapy , she talks about what has happened in my life , we discuss how I have the tools to deal with it and I leave happier , kind of counselling but cheaper !

Not a massive Woo believer but would love to explain my dejavu type experiences when ever I am in a certain part of a town , that I work in but didn't grow up in , have no family connection to , it is really weird , like memories but with smells and emotions , that I cannot give any rational reason for it , never ever really spent time there until recently , odd !

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lorelei9here · 05/04/2016 22:02

Wow
He sounds like an odd one
The first one I saw told me my past, present and future. I couldn't have got a word in edge ways but I dont think it would occur to her to ask questions.

I kind of thought past, present, future was a model, to get confidence etc.

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lorelei9here · 05/04/2016 22:03

Those questions make him sound like a psychologist who fancied a career change but is finding it hard to let go!

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KindDogsTail · 05/04/2016 22:07

Poor you going through that very unpleasant time with that fake psychic just when you wanted hope.

Don't believe a word of it!
I have had plenty of experience that so called psychics are rubbish.

This one is evidently as lacking in intuition as it's possible to be and on a power trip by the sounds of it. A nasty piece of work making money on the side.

ImperialBlether is right - your life can blossom at any point.

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Fontella · 05/04/2016 22:21

OP, when I was studying psychology I read tarot for numerous people as I was fascinated by 'cognitive bias'. Friends, family and associates indulged my thesis. I told everyone it was a silly 'game' just for me and wasn't part of an ethically approved experiment or anything. Because it wasn't!

Still; People told me I had a 'gift' and was seeing their lives. That my 'game' had exposed my psychic abilities

I made it up. All of it. As a MH practitioner I think I can guess what is happening/what has happened for people from their reactions to questions/situations

I 'read' tarot cards (which really tell people reading what to say about the cards). Then added what I thought was obvious from the person in front of me and their reactions to what I said

I never said I was psychic or gifted - I said I didn't believe in it and was trying to prove how people use cognitive bias and their desire to believe in 'something bigger' or 'greater or unexplained'

Brilliant, fascinating post loveyou.

Your experience mirrors my own in many ways, although I didn't 'make it up' - I based my readings on what I 'know' about each card. That knowledge of course is founded on reading what others had written about the 'meaning' of each card. Nothing I do is is intuitive or 'psychic' and I personally bring nothing to the proceedings. I just read a lot and learned by rote, the 'meaning' of each card.

Like you I made it clear to everyone I read for that I have NO psychic ability. I have also referred to my own notes when doing readings, so I look things up at the table while they are sitting there, patiently waiting. 'Give me a minute while I look this up' and no one bats an eyelid. I don't charge and I do record every single 'reading' I do, so try and establish some kind of pattern or logic to what is on the face of it, completely illogical.

I too have had the same reaction as you. In one case, I was stopped in the street by someone who I had done a reading for a decade or so before who was just overwhelmed to see me and told me that everything I had said had 'come true'. I've had that moment when also when I've 'nailed it' in a reading and the person I'm reading for has the 'OMG' reaction, across the table but all I'm doing is 'reading' the cards they've chosen based upon the knowledge I've built up about each card. Of course, in amongst this is a lot of meaningless dross, and no one focuses on that - they just pick up on the things I've got 'right'.

I'm not impressed by any of this. I KNOW I don't have any psychic abilities but nevertheless, despite my cynicism and skepticism, I am still open minded to the possibility that maybe there is something else going on - scientific, psychological, law of averages, chance, gullibility, cognitive bias - I don't know and will continue to explore it - but in the meantime, it's easy to see how a skilled fraudster can use the Tarot to their advantage.

Despite all this, I find the Tarot itself fascinating. Mostly the artistry. The hand painted decks were works of art, but with the advent of computer design, the digitally produced decks bring a whole new dimension and that's what hooked me into all this in the first place. The images themselves.

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Trills · 05/04/2016 22:31

I'll do one for free:
You have a great need for other people to like and admire you.
You have a tendency to be critical of yourself.
You have a great deal of unused capacity which you have not turned to your advantage.
While you have some personality weaknesses, you are generally able to compensate for them.
Your sexual adjustment has presented problems for you.
Disciplined and self-controlled outside, you tend to be worrisome and insecure inside.
At times you have serious doubts as to whether you have made the right decision or done the right thing.
You prefer a certain amount of change and variety and become dissatisfied when hemmed in by restrictions and limitations.
You pride yourself as an independent thinker and do not accept others' statements without satisfactory proof.
You have found it unwise to be too frank in revealing yourself to others.
At times you are extroverted, affable, sociable, while at other times you are introverted, wary, reserved.
Some of your aspirations tend to be pretty unrealistic.
Security is one of your major goals in life.
You are more gullible than you would like to think of yourself as being.

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UnderCrackers5 · 05/04/2016 22:39

mockers beware.
when by beloved father died, I went to a psychic.
He asked no questions
told me I was the seventh son of the seventh son. correct
told me I lived in number 7 .correct
my lucky number is seven. correct

I was gobsmacked.
He advised me to put 7,000 quid on horse number 7 at the seventh race at Aintree. I stood to win 700,000


I made that bet. :)

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