The WEP, pushchairs, wheelchairs, buses and London cont'd

[JustBeyond]

MNHQ already said it is NBU to continue the thread after the OP had a strop and got it deleted...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2603249-to-invite-Londoners-to-help-the-Womens-Equality-Party?

Left wing politics has always been the same, look how PIE wormed its way into the campaigning in the late 70's.

LOL, so a woman is just anything that isn't a man?

This is what was so powerful about what Professor Greer said: That women were more than just men without penises.

I sometimes try to imagine a world where women are considered to be fully human. It's actually quite difficult.

You know what we could really do with in the current climate?

A party to fight women's corner. To say that no, it's not OK to always expect women to be the ones to budge up.

To say that "woman" is a biological sex, not a state of mind, that there is no such thing as a female brain & that women can do anything men can do.

To say that the only way to stop male violence is to stop men being violent. Not to make women dress or behave differently or to open women's safe spaces to everyone.

To say to transwomen, "We'll fight beside you for your right to live as yourselves, to be happy & safe & free from discrimination. But you have no right to our identities or our spaces."

Just think what a Women's Equality Party could have stood for.

Ffs so is the Green party now a male supremacy party, where male is a protected characteristic and nobody else allowed in the club?

Vertigo yup.

If you are born a man, you won the lottery. Go you.

If you are born male but identify as a woman, you are entitled to women's spaces, women's resources, everything, and in fact you are more entitled to women's spaces, women's resources, everything than women are. If you are born male but identify as non-binary, you are also entitled to women's spaces, resources, everything. If you are born female but identify as male, non-binary or trans-masculine, you are still entitled to women's spaces, women's resources, everything (but don't anyone dare call you a woman - you are much better than that).

If you are just a woman, tough shit. Go to the back of the queue, TERF bitch.

(Seriously, I despair.)

Can you please link these tweets as I can't find them?

Just place marking, I've not been on in a few days, Read the first few pages of wep thread before it went poof. Then found this thread tonight.

As you where

great another thread that becomes about trans....

it started about wheelchair users

Search for @GPEWAimee, Vertigo.

That's depressing a non male group.

The event was supposed to be this morning. Did it happen does anyone know?

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/outrage-after-womens-equality-party-is-barred-from-lgbt-mayoral-hustings-a3207856.html all I found was this.

samcro Yes, that's kind of how we feel, we try to fight for women's rights or talk about things which affect women, and oh look, it's about trans again. If we want to talk homophobia, or even more so for lesbophobia, oops, trans again. We want to promote a women to a position, sorry, trans too.

And on and on

Left wing politics has always been the same, look how PIE wormed its way into the campaigning in the late 70's.

It wasn't the left that gave Jimmy Saville the keys to Broadmoor, or invited him to Chequers all the time.

What does it say about me as a woman that I thought WEP stood for wirelless encryption protocol..?

Says a lot about wep.
I am female. I work in London. I am closely involved in charities for disabilities in London. I use transport on a regular basis.
But not heard of them.
Even live not far from the station they was
Going to start from.
Whatever they are doing, they aren't being very effective.
Look forward to someone from the party
Knocking on my door. Have lots
Of questions

Vertigo look at @SGPWomen and @ygwomen too.

So what was the original discussion about wheelchairs and pushchairs, then?

(For the record: I get very fed-up with unnecessarily-massive pushchairs clogging up public transport, BUT I am also totally against any policy that thinks that people can either be disabled or be parents, but cannot cope with the idea that many are both. When DS was small, I could not physically hold my baby and stuff and a folded pushchair, so could only go on buses where there was room for an unfolded pushchair, and space for me to sit down.)

ArcheryAnnie

This

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1701960340088993&id=1567955710156124

Thanks, ILeave.

EmpressOfTheSevenOceans - exactly this.

the reason why people are still mentioning the trans issue is because WEP consistently fail to provide clarity on what their definition of a woman actually is and seem to be promoting violent men being allowed into spaces where there are vulnerable women present.

It's all very depressing. I joined WEP as a founder member with high hopes. I haven't been much impressed so far. It feels a bit more like they are trying to be the popular kid in class rather than stand up for women.

The manifesto felt like a massive fudge trying desperately not to upset anyone.

I feel like I should resign my membership but...

I know that if they came out and said, female /woman is a biological reality, they'd be buried under such a pile of hate it would take them a century to dig themselves out. If they pushed hard on real feminism and got the support of people like Greer , they'd be immediately dismissed as man haters. I don't know what the answer is.

A picture of a tweet from the Scottish Green Party's women's group, because I can't quite believe they really posted it.

And on the subject of fudges, a link to the Twitter conversation in which they are currently desperately trying to find a word that means "non-men" & won't piss women off.

FFS.

At least someone on their twitter account has been daring to use the "w" word.

I feel like going on their site and telling them they're transphobes, reminding them that men can be pregnant too.