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To be shocked at the Daily Mail getting stories from mumsnet

71 replies

shatteredmama · 29/03/2016 10:33

Well, I'm not that shocked at all really, but this level of lazy journalism is something else. I remember the featured thread on here well, and was going to comment at the time, this'll make me think twice about commenting on threads in the future...

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3512349/Mothers-reveal-eye-watering-comments-midwives-childbirth.html

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CuttedUpPear · 29/03/2016 12:37

What Later said ^

You are publishing your opinions on the internet when you post here.
Don't be surprised if your words turn up in cyberspace ad infinitum.
MN certainly won't protect your privacy any more than you do by posting. When you sign up here you are agreeing to them owning your posts and doing what they like with them.
It's all revenue.

Summerisle1 · 29/03/2016 12:42

Actually, the copyright of the 'poo emoji' belongs to the MN poster who took the picture. So they should be credited along with an acknowledgement that the thread was lifted from here.

foodiefil · 29/03/2016 12:55

Know the industry well. Anything online is considered fair game. It's all about hits and cheap hits.

There are still some journalists who spend a long time researching their stories, finding their own case studies and figures to back things up though.

And there are some who sit at a computer all day scrolling the WWW to get something that could make a clickable headline and maybe even go viral ... penis beaker I'm looking at you.

feellikeahugefailure · 29/03/2016 13:05

No mn own the poo emoji and everything posted here. Just like facebook do.

They are a business.

clopper · 29/03/2016 13:07

It's a shame they aren't reporting the anti academy feeling.

WorraLiberty · 29/03/2016 13:09

I don't understand why whenever this happens, people say it's 'lazy journalism'?

Surely it's just research and researching is part of journalism?

coily · 29/03/2016 13:09

It's happened forever, it always will

Whenever a thread gets good I expect to see it on the DM soon enough - I thought the sheep shoes would have made it by now though and they didn't

TeacupsandFigs · 29/03/2016 13:23

I'm sure that MN is a rich source for journalists, I'm sure that many start threads on controversial subjects so that they can get an article out of it.

sonata1 · 29/03/2016 13:38

Am I correct in thinking that what you post on MN becomes the property of MN so technically they are at liberty to do what they want with it ?

ThenLaterWhenItGotDark · 29/03/2016 13:42

"lazy journalism" must be the laziest soundbite ever. What are they supposed to do? Wear a trilby and a flasher's mac and stand under lamp-posts with an unfiltered fag hanging out their chops while the voiceover says "it was one of those nights Mac, when I wunna putta dawg onna streets....I was hanging out waiting for a schtory....."

Summerisle1 · 29/03/2016 13:43

No mn own the poo emoji and everything posted here

No, they don't. Unless the poster has formally assigned the copyright to MN (which isn't at all likely!!) copyright retains with the creator. As indeed MN are careful to point out in their terms and conditions.

Subject to the rights and license you grant to us under these Terms of Use, you retain all your right, title and interest in your User Content submissions. This means that copyright in your User Content will remain with you and that you can continue to use the material in any way, including allowing others to use it.

Summerisle1 · 29/03/2016 13:46

You do grant MN a licence to use your copy but that's not the same as owning your work or helping themselves to the copyright. Here's the relevant clause:

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Summerisle1 · 29/03/2016 13:50

But to get back to the point, lazy journalists now find endless amounts of material on the internet. It happens with all social media - recently, the Storm Katie coverage on our regional daily paper was entirely composed of other people's Twitter feeds! - and certainly with most popular online forums.

Speaking as someone who trained in The Old Days, I can understand how useful all this free copy must be. However, it has done nothing at all for the profession and has certainly damaged press photography beyond belief!

CauliflowerBalti · 29/03/2016 13:59

The worrying part for me is that the thread is being used to further the anti-NHS, pro-privatisation Tory/Daily Fail rhetoric. I bet if there was a thread here on how outstanding maternity care is, it wouldn't get covered.

Off to see whether my story made it.

lborolass · 29/03/2016 14:05

Some time ago the DM had a weekly (I think) feature on threads from here. There was outrage and I think MNHQ asked them to stop running it, they did

LurkingHusband · 29/03/2016 14:12

Seems as good a place as any to remind folk about

EmpressOfTheSevenOceans · 29/03/2016 17:56

Does anyone remember the time a Fail journalist asked for criticisms of GPs?

If anyone ever got their arse roasted, garnished & served up on a plate by MNers it was most definitely her.

Sallyingforth · 29/03/2016 18:23

Yes, YABU.
Mumsnet posters are always quoting the Daily Mail's shitty articles.
Why shouldn't the DM quote MN in return?

EponasWildDaughter · 29/03/2016 18:58

Don't know about the DM, i don't read it, but SO often stories crop up on BBC Breakfast days after big threads about the same thing are here on MN.

The last one i recall was horses and car drivers. Couple of big threads on MN one week, few days later there it was as a subject for an 'out and about' news report on Breakfast.

Is it reports being inspired by MN or threads being started by journalists? Who knows.

Sparklingbrook · 29/03/2016 19:05

MN is brilliant for researchers and journalists. Loose Women/This morning and the Wright Stuff must trawl the boards. Same with the DM.

If you don't want your views to appear out there don't put them on here.

EverySongbirdSays · 29/03/2016 19:13

I currently have an AIBU thats quite juicy. I haven't put it out there in case it should spiral. It is just the sort of thing that the media could get mileage out of. Which is why I haven't done it.

cupcakesarah · 29/03/2016 19:57

Have you seen how they've tried to translate mumsnet lingo and got it wrong eg. DD2 as dear rather than darling

WhoTheFuckIsSimon · 29/03/2016 19:59

I always thought it was dear not darling. Only been here over a decade! Grin

PaulAnkaTheDog · 29/03/2016 20:01

Some of the comments are brilliant! Total stick up the arse fuckwits. (You have my permission to quote that DM, just in case you do a follow up piece thanks to your commenters clutching their plastic pearls)

TippyTappyLappyToppy · 29/03/2016 20:06

I've seen it literally dozens of times in the 8 years or so I've been on here. The month I joined there was an article I saw in the Times I think, quoting posters by name on a thread I'd actually been on and I was Shock now I'm just Hmm really? Again?

Matthew Wright, Jezza Vine and Loose Women get something a week of MN, I am sure of it. They don't quote it directly but they knick ideas from threads all the time.