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If this was YOUR child's school would YOU move them.

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FlowerySkull · 28/03/2016 13:28

Have N/C Firstly this is long, some of it will seem petty, some of it less so. I want to state everything as I want a genuine opinion on all facts.

I have a dd in secondary school and we have been having some issues. I have posted about some of these before so please bear with me.

Firstly she has learning difficulties, she is also very quiet.

Recently she was a victim of a serious incident which involved being threatened with a weapon, schools communication of this incident was awful, I made a formal complaint and have now been told that the year head will not discuss issues about dd with me anymore. I want to add that I have sent three emails in the last year to the year head (as is the proper channel even for minor issues or things or messages for the form teacher) so I am not a parent who is always pestering them.

Other issues. They identified her for mentoring as she was not meeting her potential. I became aware that all the other children who were doing mentoring had already started. DD wasn't. I chased it up, they said they had been busy and had not had chance to do it and would. I then received a letter stating dd had done so well on the mentoring course that she had been taken off it. However they had never started it.

I am consistently being told issues which relate to her sen at parents evenings only to find out the teacher does not know she has sen. This has happened on several occasions now despite reassurances it won't.

When dd was going abroad on a school trip they had promised her (as an sen student) that they organised sessions every year for children who needed more support to get to know others, especially those who were going alone without friends. (all dds friends dropped out after Charlie Hebdo attack) but dd at that time still wanted to go. They also promised they would make sure that she had at least one person she at least knew in her hotel room. They didn't.

While away she contacted me in a state, one of the boys who is a child regularly in trouble in school had started to target her, he got a whole bunch of his friends to target dd, They totally ruined her trip. DD is admittedly oversensitive anyway but he accused dd of biting him because she had stick out teeth and got lots of his cronies to taunt her. DD had reported this to the teachers in charge and they had done nothing initially. This happened three more times. Eventually I text them and they said dd was lying as she had said it had happened again on the coach and they said it had not and had been sorted already. (I later found out off another child this was not true) they eventually moved dd away from the only people she knew away from the boy but then let him sit behind her and taunt her again when they next stopped. The name calling continued for around 8 weeks in school although her form teacher did then deal with it.

When dd started back at school at the start of a new year she was lambasted in front of her class. She had moved up a set in English. The rules in her previous set had been you must always find out your reading levels from the library staff and pick a book within those levels to read. So if your level is 4.2 - 6.4 you must pick a book between that.The second rule was you must ALWAYS have a library book in class. DD had done this and had actually picked the lower end of the levels but not realising the new set teacher insisted they start off at the bottom of the level 4.2. Instead of explaining to dd she shouted at her in front of the whole class 'I don't know why YOU have picked that book for, when you are getting 100 percent on tests then you can choose (dd incidentally did get 100% on the next test) DD was heartbroken.

Sorry I said it was long! DD does not want to go back and I am reluctant to move her as the other options are not fantastic but feel entirely frustrated with them.

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lalalalyra · 28/03/2016 16:16

I'd move her. When you are looking at other schools focus on the ones that will "fit" your daughter rather than just academic attainment. My kids go to a school that makes people look at me like I've grown two heads when I say "No, that's where we wanted them to go." DS is on target to sail through all his predicted grades (well above the school average), DD1 is being pushed adequately to get her to where she can be and DD2 is being supported with all her extra needs to get her the very best she can get. So each of them being supported in the best way for them.

Also because it is not long out of special measures there was a lot of money thrown at the school and the HT put in was picked for her ability to turn schools around. Sometimes what is on paper doesn't reflect on the school properly. Ofsted appear to hate this school, but it's one of the best schools in our area imo. Certainly a much better school for children than the one with top grades I think - too many cases of kids mysteriously being shunted to our "crap" school in exam year for my liking. Heaven forbid the average grades get hauled down because a kid needs some help.

pieceofpurplesky · 28/03/2016 16:23

I think of course they could have guaranteed her daughter's safety from the boy who had the knife by ensuring they were kept apart. This would certainly my happen in all the schools I have taught in - I am surprised the boy is back and allowed to wander around. Again, have never known this to happen.

IthinkIamsinking · 28/03/2016 16:26

Have PM'd you Flower

IthinkIamsinking · 28/03/2016 16:31

Piece
It was a general 'guarantee safety at school' comment rather than alluding to safety from the boy with the weapon unless I misunderstood the post. But regardless it would still be impossible to guarantee safety unless the boy was being supervised the whole time he was on school site. As you know, students move around school sites regularly throughout the day. Not sure how they would have managed it in the schools' you have taught at unless the boy was threatened with permanently excluded if he approached OP's DD. Procedures can be put in place but these are not able to 100% guarantee safety.

redgoat · 28/03/2016 16:36

Definitely move her. Your poor DD.

Rezolution123 · 28/03/2016 16:38

Draw a line under it and move on.
You cannot put right the entire school system. Your concern is your DDs safety and wellbeing. Enough said.
Pick the best of a bad bunch of schools and get her in as soon as possible.Brew

pieceofpurplesky · 28/03/2016 17:05

I think you misread the post. In the three schools I have been in a child carrying a knife would have been permanently excluded or educated in an inclusion base when not accompanied to lessons. A child currently where I am is I my allowed in three hours a day for threatening pupils with a (blunt dinner) knife and during those three hours he is never alone. He is in year ten and it will be like this until he leaves.

VerbenaGirl · 28/03/2016 17:10

I think move her also.
Are there any schools a bit further afield that might be a better fit and you could also look at?
Although I have noticed locally that some schools that aren't doing so well often have extra investment and good teachers brought in, and end up being really good places for the children to be.

IthinkIamsinking · 28/03/2016 17:11

Without knowing all the details which obviously the OP is not party to re: weapon incident it is hard to know what the situation was with this particular boy.
IME a lot goes on behind the scenes when investigating incidents of this nature but obviously without knowing these details speculation is pointless. Clearly the school dealt with it as they saw fit at the time.

FlowerySkull · 28/03/2016 17:40

I am not so much concerned what is going on with the other child. Well i am but understand that there are things going on I am not party to an understand why.

It's more the lack of communication and attitude with me in regards to my own dd which has bothered me with that. They couldn't even reassure me.

I am looking out of area but struggling as everywhere is shut for Easter elsewhere so we cannot look around and dds own school is in tomorrow :(

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mummytime · 28/03/2016 18:17

Go back to your GP and get them to inform CAHMS of the latest incidents and any effect on your DD. CAHMS can move waiting lists to prioritise those in more need.

ExtraHotLatteToGo · 28/03/2016 18:32

Are you in a position to keep her at home?

Rezolution123 · 28/03/2016 18:35

Are you able to keep DD home until this is sorted out? Too late when she has been injured or traumatised by bullies.
Get a GP appointment and speak to CAMHS as soon as they open in the morning.
Let them see that you are concerned for your DD and not too bothered about the poor treatment or procedures or scoring points against the school. Try to make your DD the centre of the whole discussion. You are doing this for her and her alone. (Also your own peace of mind)

FlowerySkull · 28/03/2016 18:51

I am in a position to keep her home on a temporary basis but not permanently.
I am just worried about being prosecuted in between finding a place elsewhere.
I am worried about not being able to find her a place elsewhere and being in effect left with no school at all.

So stressed

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TheImprobableGirl · 28/03/2016 19:02

Obviously we are talking 15 years ago but when I was in the second year of secondary (year 8) I had a horrendous time with bullying and general inappropriate punishments from teachers and very poor guidance.
My DM pulled me out of school in the October half term, and I didn't manage to find a new place until February.

I can honestly say, even now that it was the best thing she could have done for me. It gave me confidence, it showed me someone was truly on my side and more importantly I got on with a terrific bunch of children and teachers alike in the new secondary, and received 6a* and 4a grades in GCSEs

Please pull her out. You KNOW what is best for your child. Let them come and ask you why if they 'fine' you (which I don't know anything about the current rules)

But please do this for your daughter

pieceofpurplesky · 28/03/2016 19:28

Ithink reading the OPs comments I would not trust the school to deal with anything properly!
OP your daughter is not getting the education she is entitled too as the school is failing to meet her individual needs. You either need to see the head/governors and insist it is dealt with or move her

mummytime · 28/03/2016 19:34

You can either say you are home Educating her until she gets a new school place, or you can get the GP to sign her off due to her mental health (she will need to tell them how worried she is, and how she feels about going back).
You can spend sometime deschooling her, and letting her recover. Then she could do some study on her own, but hopefully it wouldn't be that long until she can reintegrate into a new school.

PeaceOfWildThings · 28/03/2016 19:42

Yes, I would move my child from this situation. The only way I might not would be if my child were happy and I had other avenues (other links with staff, other parents, knowing older children in the schiol etc) who were all saying DD's happy and settled at the school. Clearly this is not the case!

I know someone who took their child out of school mid way through year 11. Their DC repeated Y11 through home schooling and is taking GCSEs at a nearby (private) school for a (very) small charge.

JinRamen · 28/03/2016 19:47

I would move her. Dodgy Internet atm but will post later when I have decent internet and explain why I did exactly that for my son.

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