To wonder why the conservatives won't just tax people more ??

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Am I missing something here ?

Clearly there is a scarcity of money - and certain areas are rightly ring fenced .

But don't tell me that most working families can't afford an average of £50 a month - this would exclude people on low income , and for some families it £10 and for some £200 -

The UK is full of families and individuals with disposable income - a minor tax increase for 40% of the working population could raise £11bn

So why won't they do it ??? Baffles me - I would personally rather pay more tax and know that the vulnerable are cared for

bunny, I see no point in wasting words on you, I disagree with many people on MN but I somehow manage to not be abusive towards them, though a screen.

and I am NOT judging people their meals, vacations, I have them too!

But if there is so little money that our government seriously considers taking money from the disabled, I think that we should be prepared to reduce our luxuries by a certain percentage, even 5/10%- and yes that should go hand in hand with taxing google, but I was asking for the opinion of UK citizen, not google.

and the way people assume that their extra tax will go straight into the pockets of dole claiming workshy council dwellers is...scary.

one day I might be ill, get cancer, not be able to work and provide. I am fucking scared for my fate judged by the attitudes on this thread.

You are right YOU could never comprehend, but please in future try to refrain from accusing people of lying and or doing something illegal???!^

No - people don't assume it will go straight into the pockets of dole-claiming, workshy council dwellers - they think it will be wasted like a large chunk of tax mo eh already is.

Above to Bunny^

Doing something illegal?
Ffs.

Whatevs.

I don't think people are deliberately lying but I honestly doubt there are many people who regularly work 18 hour days (assuming that is actual work time). Allowing for a commute, and eating, that might leave 4 hours for sleep. That's early grave territory of you do it for any period of time.

I am horrified that anyone would think this is a good thing. Quite apart from the health issues, people who work excessively long hours are less productive and less safe. What's more, it's destructive of employment: one person regularly working an 18 hour day is literally doing another person out of a full-time job.

Bunny, you stated you could not comprehend my working hours and didnt understand how it could be legal, ,FFS read what you have written!

Mistigri, its not a good thing, please tell my employer that, i would be very grateful.

By 'is that even legal' it was quite clear that I meant having to work 18 hrs a day is not in line with the working time directive.

And to work that amount is choice, not dictated.

The Scottish Leaders' debate had a question on not raising the higher rate tax threshold in Scotland. As a private sector worker I am quite happy to pay for public services but I think twice when teachers and nurses start to grumble about being "dragged" into the 20% of workers paying higher rate tax.

There are many jobs where working long days is the norm, not sure why that is difficult for some to understand. And yes, it is legal Bunny

Have you not heard about the working time directive opt out Bunny?

126 hour weeks is over 3 times the amount laid down in the working time directive.

If someone is mandated to work 126 hours per week that is a very, very rare and specialised employment.

I am horrified that anyone would think this is a good thing. Quite apart from the health issues, people who work excessively long hours are less productive and less safe. What's more, it's destructive of employment: one person regularly working an 18 hour day is literally doing another person out of a full-time job.

I'll tell that to DD whose a Junior Doctor and will email her university to remind them of that.

The next time a dying horse comes in for surgery at stupid o'clock in the morning I'll remind their owner DH has probably been on his feet for around 24 hours and must be unsafe to operate. Some jobs just require more hours than others. It's a fact of life and hundreds of people do them. Most people in both professions I've mentioned work long hours. It's simply part and parcel.

I would pay more tax to fund a better NHS, but not the NHS that new Labour promoted, with a disproportionate number of managers. The jobs were popular here on MN though - well paid and often part-time..

I would pay more tax to care for the elderly, but don't agree that having untrained staff who often struggle with English to "care" for them for a 15 minute visit twice a day is better than a well run, efficient home.

I would pay more tax for better teachers for all, but not the Australian gap year teachers who passed through my kids' school all too frequently.

I would pay for a library but wish everyone would accept we can't all have library within walking distince.

I would pay for better services but doubt the ability of those running them to do it properly.

Bunnytyler, believe me it is not by choice, if i didnt do it then people would have real problems.
Your ignorance of what people have to do at work, without knowledge of their expertise and their working hours is absolutely amazing.
Those who can go home after working 9 to 5 hours and forget a out their work are very very fortunate. Life is not black and white!

Yes, of course they do Spring, but it is not 18 hrs a day 7 days a week if actual work.

As part of my former role I regularly had to do 168 hr week physically at my place of employment (24 hr, 7 day).
But I was not physically working for that entire time - it was a 'sleeping duty', but when the alarm went at whatever time we had to be ready to go in minutes.

Bunnytyler, yes very specialised, as i say, you could not comprehend.

However, i do realise that if i didnt do it there would be alot of devastated people, and maybe that is MY contribution to society, alongside my taxes!

Yes Madbengalmum it is your contribution and that is more than enough, obviously.

My response about doing extra was directed to the OP who denigrated people for not paying even more tax, whilst not doing any extra herself.

Yes, of course they do Spring, but it is not 18 hrs a day 7 days a week if actual work

😂😂😂😂. You clearly have no idea, none at all. Yes, it can be 18 hours a day and often 7 days a week of ACTUAL work. I'm wondering if unicorns also exist in your rainbow tinted world ?

I'd introduce a land tax. Kill off the btl people and tax the people with lots of unearned income.

I'd tax people on profits of their main home.

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However, you aimed the response at me???
Read your comment

AndNowItsSeven, I just got back to thread. I had to retire early, I would ordinarily be looking at another 10yrs.

The quote of your that I pasted and responded directly to you Bengal was:

Of course the claimants are not living a life of luxury, but they are able to live and not work, why should they not contribute to society if able?

I replied to that in my current capacity as a disability benefits claimant, sacked from my former job last year due to my ill health.

I replied that at the moment I am only able to exist, not contribute anything at all, but pointed out that up until last year I worked full time and contributed extra.

I was then made out to be holier than though by Granny because I apparently think I'm 'better' than everyone else because of that,