people who talk in the quiet carriage should be swiftly put or death - NOT lighthearted

[HeadTilt]

Right?

There is no excuse.

Basic exchanges of information - fine.

Chat about that Thai restaurant you went to three years ago - swift, merciless death.

Need a quick verdict to see if I can a save the last hour of my journey.

I hate the quiet carriage, the passive aggression of the passengers to each other gets to me.

I'd rather sit in the normal carriage and accept I have to share it with other people (and it isn't any noisier anyway)

Your biggest issue op was the shit train journey you had but in relation to the quiet carriage yabu ridiculous idea if you ask me.

YANBU OP. It absolutely should be the STFU carriage.

I have been known to smile at persistent mobile users and kindly offer to mind their bags while they take their call OUTSIDE THE QUIET CARRIAGE RIGHT NOW

I hate the quiet carriage, the passive aggression of the passengers to each other gets to me

So don't sit there!

And don't call other passengers 'passive aggressive' simply for wanting what they chose -- quiet.

It's this sort of attitude I don't understand. If you don't want to sit in quiet /silence, don't sit in the Quiet Coach. But don't call those who ask for quiet 'passive aggressive.' they are not the rude ones; the rude ones are the ones who are so inconsiderate of others that they let their phones ring, or talk loudly or - my favourite - the father who encouraged his children to play a noisy computer game and swore at me when I asked them to use headphones, please.

So tobysmum can you explain your hostility towards other passengers simply wanting what they have booked & aid for?

YANBU OP. I tend to book quiet carriage for long train journeys and it does my head in when people are loud. I include those screaming down mobile phones, and parents talking/reading to their clearly not deaf toddler in a loud voice that carries down the whole carriage. Why are there now so many people with a great need to be heard? As a PP said, its so very British not to complain. Well the last time someone was screaming down their mobile I told them it was a quiet carriage and I didn't want or need to hear their conversation. Fuck that. Nothing wrong with talking but stop the showing off. Too many people want an audience, want to draw attention to themselves. Take your delusions of grandeur and delusion that you are oh so interesting that everyone must both see and hear you elsewhere.

I know Im cantankerous about it all but I don't care. If you're rude enough to be braying in a designated quiet space then I don't see myself as rude to tell you to tone it down.

As an aside I was on a short London rail journey last Saturday, there were a group of adults and 1 toddler, I was sitting across from them. One of the adults - not the parents of toddler - was really loud, engaging toddler in conversation constantly. Mr I Need To Be Seen And Heard. Vaguely wondered, do toddlers like having their ears battered like that?! I didnt pay any attention but put earphones in and started to listen to music on my 'phone, on seeing me do that this prick got even louder! ffs...whats the matter with people/ I got up and moved to a seat behind way down the carriage.

Hahahaha seriously

Every, EVERY time I have ended up in the quiet carriage is a) because I've been placed there by a booking system that doesn't allow you to say you don't want a seat there or b) because it's been the only carriage with spare seats. It's never been a choice.

For me the stress of worrying someone is going to be noisy in the quiet carriage is worse than the noise in normal carriages so I've given up on them

But I agree noise cancelling headphones are marvellous. I use them in my open plan office whenever I need to concentrate

You are so right, OP - and could I suggest death by poisoned dart, a la Agatha Christie's Death in the Clouds? Swift, silent and hopefully undetectable.

Oh thank God it's not just me. It makes me feel absolutely puce with rage, which I realise is both an overreaction and rather futile. But bloody hell what is WRONG with people? I don't usually subscribe to the 'it were all fields round here' misty-eyed homilies, but having spent almost 20 years commuting regularly on trains, there has been a noticeable rise in the 'fuck you' population - who don't give a shiny shite about how their behaviour might affect the people around them.

A murmured and brief conversation is acceptable. Anything where actual words are discernible is not acceptable. As for those who play music on speakers, listen to movies without headphones or have shouty conversations - either on the phone or F2F - should immediately be ejected on to the track.

My 'go bag' for longer commutes has staple items in it - Oyster card, tampons, paracetamol, plasters, comb - and a pair of headphones. I have a relaxing classical music album on my phone and it has kept me out of prison on manslaughter charges on many journeys!