To think we should note how quickly the media suggests the causes of attrocities?

[JeremyCunt]

First, and above all, my thoughts are with all those affected by the terrible events in Belgium. I'm so very sorry this has happened.

I think it is notable how quickly the mainstream media suggests who is behind it (this started even before the event - "expect 'revenge attacks' " etc). Facts simply cannot be adequately known at this stage. Certainly there's been no time for any thorough/impartial investigation (not that the impartiality element is likely to ever happen). And yet we're being led quite quickly to certain conclusions ("The attacks come four days after Salah Abdeslam, the main fugitive in the Paris attacks, was seized in Brussels" states the BBC). I'm making no comment about the veracity of these conclusions, but I think they're yet another demonstration of how easy we - the populus - are to lead.

'Why can't we see Muslims marching with 'Not In My Name' placards?'

You can.

Telling terrorists you disapprove probably won't help, but consider a Muslim boy who thinks that most Muslims secretly support terrorism because that's what someone told him. It might help him to see lots of Muslims on the media saying they hate terrorism. Before someone tricks him into signing up and ruins his life.

That's a reason for publicly condemning it. Not as some kind of apology.

Taqiyya

Oh I love to tinfoil hat Brigade who claim that we need this shit happening on a regular basis so we can make money out of wars in the middle east.

Seeing as the invasion of Iraq has cost about 3-4 TRILLION dollars to date, how on earth does one imagine that this is some sort of profit making exercise by the Bankers/Bildeberg Group/Illuminati (delete as appropriate)? Believe it or not, not only would the US spend the same on military equipment regardless whether or not it was at war in the Middle East or not. In fact its Defence spending has dropped over the past few years. But never let a conspiracy get in the way of good old fashioned facts.

Agree with whistledown.
Is there any evidence of threats or coercion stopping ordinary Muslims? If I lived in a community where there was a general feeling that you keep your head down and say nothing, if I had kids, if I was trying to run a small business, I don't think I would be the one to start marches and protests.
It's about critical mass. It was seen in NI, in places with gang criminals.

Somebody said:
When your religion is directly responsible for over 90% of the terrorism in the world
Somebody responded:
Utter nonsense.

This article includes some interesting info.

Internationally, in 2014 32,000 people were killed by terrorists. Of these, 17,000 were killed by four groups, all of them Islamist (ISIS, Boko, Taliban, Al-Shabab). It's not easy to unravel how many of the other deaths were due to Islamism, but some of them were.

So, 90% of world terrorism, no. But a major component, definitely yes.

I suspect that the reason people find Islamist attacks so disturbing is that they are not isolated one-offs (like many lone wolf attacks) nor focused upon a local issue (like the IRA used to be). They are aimed at completely changing the world via jihad. When the IRA let off a bomb, the French or the Italians or the Canadians could go, 'Tsk, sad: but not our problem.' When jihadis spray machine-gun fire up and down a beach, or blow up a train, we all go, 'Shit. That's not very nice. And we might be next.' This is of course what they want. Well, part of what they want.

What's also disturbing is how willing these loons are to go after their fellow-muslims. Particularly muslims of a different stripe: in 2014 the single biggest terrorist massacre was when ISIS killed well over 600 Shias.

' Muslim boy who thinks that most Muslims secretly support terrorism because that's what someone told him. It might help him to see lots of Muslims on the media saying they hate terrorism. Before someone tricks him into signing up and ruins his life'.

I think this hypothetical Muslim boy is more likely to believe what his family tell him than some random person that tells them Muslims secretly support terrorism.

Muslims are not obliged to to defend themselves against somethingthey have not done.

I think this hypothetical Muslim boy is more likely to believe what his family tell him than some random person that tells them Muslims secretly support terrorism.

Seriously?

Do you have any teenage kids?

They're more likely to listen to their friends, peers and people on the Internet. My 17 year old and I have wildly differing political beliefs.

They said 'boy'. That isn't necessarily a teenager, it could be a 7 year old.

Muslims are not obliged to to defend themselves against somethingthey have not done.
emily, for once I agree with you.

However, if I was a muslim parent, I'd be worried sick about my kids. I'd be asking hard questions of the local imam.

They said 'boy'. That isn't necessarily a teenager, it could be a 7 year old.
I thought it was pretty clear what was meant, myself: the poster was talking about cultural influences as someone grows up. From influencing a 'boy' of 7 to influencing a 'boy' of 17.

Europe needs to sort out its extremist breeding grounds which are in every European country.

It's too scared to do this for fear of racism/accepting limits of multiculturalism/dealing with conflicts between Islam and other rights.

This shit will continue until the above is addressed head on.

Ha! Mop your brow, lumela and have some smelling salts.

I suppose anyone that has a child involved ina religion needs to know what goes on at the place of worship they attend. My friend ended up in a religious cult when she was a teenager. It's hard as once they reach a certain age it is diificult to watch everything they do. There are awful influences out there, that is definitely true.

Something I pondered on today is that Isis and the like want 'us' at each others throats too. I think they'd enjoy blame being heaped on Muslims.

Do you know anything about groups trying to deradicalise teenagers and young people, lumela or hiddenhome? I agree with your point hidden about outside influences in older teenagers.

'I thought it was pretty clear what was meant, myself: the poster was talking about cultural influences as someone grows up. From influencing a 'boy' of 7 to influencing a 'boy' of 17'

I was thinking of what a boy may learn as he grows up in a religious household and who is more likely to influence him.

The fact that 'deradicalisation' is needed is an indication of the extent of the problem. What the hell is going on? Who is preaching in these communities, who has influence?

My friend did a degree at SOAS and she said the conversations in the student areas were terrifying - young men and some women openly glorifying terrorists and expressing their determination to change the world to live under sharia. These are young people who were mostly born here and have had all the advantages that the uk has to offer.

Something, somewhere, is going badly wrong when these kids are growing up feeling more allegiance to other places than to their way of life here. For some of them, the attractive other places include jihad.

I've always thought the problem isn't with immigration - it's with integration.

scarednoob - It's strange isn't it that generations of Chinese Buddhists, Indian Hindus, Jews etc have all managed to integrate more or less successfully into UK society, regardless of racism or cultural differences. Perhaps the problem is not UK society but the SOAS students and their culture? Perhaps it is time for them to look in the mirror rather than blaming everyone else?

I doubt very much it's unique to SOAS. I'm an alumnus (alumna?) of QMUL, which has a large population of Asian students, being Tower Hamlets. I went back to the campus five or so years after graduation, and the change was noticeable. Even the student newspaper had quite an Islamic bent.

Ditto London medical schools, where I've worked. The students remain deeply segregated by religion, despite being a diverse lot.

It's a feature of the young I'm afraid. They're very earnest and sincere in their beliefs. Unshakable in many instances.

They're literally on a crusade and they get to play with Kalashnikovs. What's not to like?

It's only going to get worse as this snowballs.

Quite a sensible article about responses to the Belgium attrocity:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/24/scariest-brussels-reactoin-paranoid-politicians-isis-atrocity-belgium

Te Simon Jenkin's article first para:
What policies have changed as a result of this Brussells this week? Have I missed something in among the platitudes?

That Simon Jenkins article is the same article the Guardian wheel out after every atrocity.

First they dismiss the victims as insignificant, say we shouldn't really get worked up about the odd score of people slaughtered going to work or on holiday. Then they say there is absolutely nothing we can do about it, so we should just do nothing, bury our heads in the sand and hope it goes away of it's own accord.

They actually make Chamberlain's 'Peace in our time' look like a decisive and brave bit of statesmanship in comparison. At least he got the enemy to pretend they didn't intend to warmonger or commit genocide.

Basically the Guardian's view has always been that any deaths in Europe are collateral damage which is a price worth paying for the left wing project.

The next attack will come. And it will be worse. I expect a dirty bomb or chemical attack in continental Europe over the next 12 months. There are effectively now no border controls between mainland Europe and failed states like Syria, Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq now. So far the attacks have involved arms smuggled across the Balkan route, probably using the streams of migrants as cover. But there is the capability for far worse weapons to come in via the same routes and nothing to stop them. And it's going to be a Muslim who stops them. And the European response has been to give 70 million more Muslims the right to visa free travel to Europe further eroding any control they have over stopping extremists entering.

Europe is literally signing it's own death warrant and the Guardian is cheering it on.

Exactly Bill

I assumed the scariest part was the dead Europeans.

But
a dead Muslim is an unlucky mutt, a dead European is front page news

The Guardian is just punching up. Very progressive.

Although I seem to recall an event on New Years Eve which the Guardian and media in general didnt report which suggests the media doesnt really care about European victims... I must be mistaken

Every time I see these articles there is part of society that desperately try to change the subject

Ipity
This mentality is exactly why I won't be taking part in any marches anytime soon. I refuse to apologise for something I did not do.
The problem with this is I (white, non-Muslim) couldn't start a march -'not in my name' cos they aren't using 'my name' - my religion.

Daesh say that they are true Muslims ...which I'm sure you (and most other Muslims) don't think is the case... what they are doing is in the name of Islam - in the name of Allah - they often shout 'Allahu Akbar' before carrying out these atrocities FFS.
That is what you are would actually be protesting against....
And if I started a protest march it could be liable to hijacking by the far right - it could be used as an excuse to attack all Muslims
I think a Muslim led and organised march with an open invitation to all sections of the community to participate - actively encouraging absolutely everyone whether Christian, Atheist, Jewish, Apostate, whatever sex or sexuality, whatever race to that march - standing together to protest against their actions, the misrepresentation of Islam by those murderous bastards and (at the risk of agreeing with Emily ) exactly what Daesh would not want to see...
Although obviously they would then say all the Muslims involved weren't true Muslims - had joined the ranks of the infidels etc - but what the hell - the Shia's at least have nothing to lose there do they?

This causes division and promotes the fuckwits of the far right.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-35893123