To Think the Tories Are Actually At War With Disabled People?

[JoffreyBaratheon]

I've been mired in the grim process of my son's DLA being changed to the new benefit, PIP. During this time, I have heard the stories of other disabled people and their loved ones. This may make me biased. Or human.

On every forum I have been on for help, can see that thousand of other disabled people, their carers, appointees and loved ones are being pretty well tortured by the vicious cuts and the new, brutal system being forced into place.

Benefits advisers and people at charities in the front line trying to support people like us also seem to report they feel like the disabled are under attack.

Now I will never understand why the most disadvantaged people in society are being forced to pay for the mistakes of bankers and rich people. Losing DLA will be a blow to our family - most of all my son but all of us - we won't recover from. To multi millionaires like Campbell, no doubt it's back pocket change so they are incapable of understanding what they are doing to ordinary people.

The past few months going through this hell, I've often felt like we might as well cut to the chase, sew the lack triangle on our clothes, and wait for the work camp to open. And I don't say that lightly, as someone whose grandad was present during the liberation of Belsen. (Wasn't it another tory - Gove - who said historians got it wrong and the British were donkeys led by lions, or words to that effect - so we know the contempt in which we are held by these chinless wonders already).

AIBU to think that people like Cameron and IDS are targeting disabled people and their carers, specifically?

Well I know this is radical but we all get together and discuss it off board, do a project plan, contact our media friends and then kick their farking arses

I keep getting message invalid when I try and post on this thread btw

OP I wrote to my MP about this and he sent me an e-mail reassuring me he'd vote against the cuts. It turns out he abstained after giving his word he'd fight them. Don't know why I'm surprised that he lied.

They just don't care, it's a case of 'I'm alright Jack', while the rest of us suffer the consequences of their cuts.

Checked out my MP (Nigel Adams, backbencher nonentity) on They Work For You. He has only ever rebelled once - some ridiculous, petty Bill about licensing hairdressers. I kid you not. The man has no balls and no moral compass whatsoever.

www.theyworkforyou.com/

The day before the tories capitulated on Tax Credits, he sent me a lengthy, unashamed, badly reasoned (I don't think he's very well educated) defence of axing it. He clearly had no idea which way the wind was blowing.

Yes my MP Nadine Dorries has done the same onemama

alas

There is no such thing as a qualifying list of disabilities. The only thing that matters is the impact of the disability with regard to a handful of tasks.

the sad thing is the torry supporters believe that scameron and his mrs know all about caring. so they think......no way would he target the disabled.....come on his son.......
and that has been used.he has shut down debate and disabled people pay the price.\locally to me a care worker is running a marathon to raise money for an adult day centre.
I hope the people who voted for this scum are proud

It's on the form and widely publicised.

You score points for each activity the points system is availible to the public. Give me two ticks I will find a link

I hope the people who voted for this scum are proud

They don't care, they pretend they do, but all that counts is number one.
I'll never understand them. Rich Tories I can understand, they're defending their own interests. Working class Tories? Morons.

“If what I posted is the criteria and it being adhered to then the issue is with the company administering the assessments not with the benefit itself.”

I'm hearing that what's public and what the govt are telling the company to assess points on privately is different.

“Am not sure what the are trying to achieve by it, other than putting people off from applying in the first place.” That's exactly what they are trying to do.

“I read that around 60% plus of Mandatory reconsiderations/appeals are won which also gives the clue that the PIP system is failing if it is making so many poor decisions first time round.” Stats are similar for DLA and ESA. I was involved with an advocacy group at one point. One of the volunteers had a sister who worked in the DWP, it was widely accepted that first claims were routinely rejected.

“Pushes them into further poverty and ill health” again I'm not convinced this isn't their aim because poverty + ill health + despair = death rate up.

“what use is being able to plan a journey to someone who can't safely make the journey?!” definitely! My primary diagnosis is ocd, so I plan the fuck out of my journeys! Doesn't mean I can cope with them! On an good day I can do a journey to an unfamiliar place if I have someone with me in case I get anxious, on a bad day it's cancelled because I think of all the things that can go wrong up to and including my death and the death of the person with me!

Mollie. Are our benefits more generous when the cost of living in this country is taken into account? I doubt it!

“But it was always all smoke and mirrors and sleight of hand.” Of course

My MP (SNP) has voted against every attempt to reduce welfare spending.

Hate is mild I despise them!

www.citizensadvice.org.uk/Global/Migrated_Documents/adviceguide/pip-9-table-of-activities-descriptors-and-points.pdf

The thing that you need to be mindful of is they are allowed to use observations during the face to face assesment. That can work in your favour but mostly it won't.

I.e they ask you to pass something,that goes down as "observed to be mobile and able to pick things up without I'll effects.

They will also do things like ask you a sum say what is 25p from £1 you can give the incorrect answer 6 times then in the middle of the next question give he correct answer and it gets recorded as "was able to correctly answer a change related questions this indicates they can manage a basic transaction without help"

I would strongly suggest anybody who has a F2F meeting wait 48 hours then request a copy of the assessors report you should get it quite quickly, they are very handy for working out what points you will end up with and making notes for mandatory reconsideration.

My friend had to go for an interview for PIP and it was in another town, 15 miles from where she lived. I'd love to know the reasoning behind that one, beating in mind she can barely walk.

have tried to post an anti tory post on this thread, is won't post

Joffrey I have the same MP. He is completely ineffectual & will do nothing that's against toeing the party line. I know this from experience as I live in a village directly affected by HS2 & he made it very clear what his position was. I am currently having issues regarding my SEN child, DLA & schooling & was advised to contact my MP! Don't think so!

My interview for PIP was meant to be in the centre of a city, 35 miles away at 8:10am. There was no parking within 100m and it was on the third or fourth floor with an unreliable lift. I refused to go so they arranged a home visit.

The observation thing went against me on my report. I can't open medicine bottles, so DH puts it all in a dosette box. I picked it up to show the assessor so she wrote "handles own medication".

Guilty, he'll be no use to you. He is the "I was only following orders!" kind.

I was deeply unimpressed by his letter re. tax credits. He certainly can't have been one of those MPs begging Osborne to drop the whole thing.

Cost cutting was his main justification, in fact. Shameless.

Inis they do that so people use public transport, then they say they have proved you can plan a journey. Money saved!

i never thought the day would come that I would say....that cos my adult child is so disabled, so far they have not been affected.
what kind of country do we live in where parents like me think that??

I'm a pip assessor snd currently carrying out face to face assessments of people who applied in December-they should hear within 4-6 weeks so in my area it's fairly quick from beginning to the decision.

Tbh fairy if you're able to take the medication without prompting and can get it from the dosset box (something the pharmacist can dispense it in) yourself then you can mange it yourself. However if you can't open the box or need prompting then yes they should say you need assistance

If everyone in the country who went to a face to face refused to speak - I wonder what would happen? Just everyone. Silence.

I think we know what IDS would do, Joffrey

Not at all Caught using a dosette box comes under needing aids to manage medication.

They have issues and get told they didn't comply with the process. They are meant to be mindful of conditions that impact on comunication and ability to engage but all this really means is they give you another appointment.

It's far better to have an appointee and let the, talk for you