To think the 'Disrespect NoBody' ad campaign is horribly sexist?

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Not sure if this has already been discussed but has anybody else seen the 'Disrespect NoBody' TV adverts that are supposedly raising awareness for healthy relationships and domestic violence?

Every single scenario in the advert is targeted at men abusing women whether it be physically or emotionally. Y'know because men are never victims?

And what about the male "victims" who are also perpetrators? This is a significant proportion of them but there is no data to represent it.

We could be here all day if we start dismissing factual data based on what we don't know...

What about the Female "victims" who are also perpetrators?
What about the Male victims who have a disability which means they can't report?
What about the Female victims who have a disability which means they can't report?

And so on...

DarylDixonsMe

But all data will be wrong because not every case is reported. It could be that what is reported is half of what actually happens on both genders. Or that abuse to men is much more prevalent bringing it closer to the numbers of abuse to women, which could also be higher than reported.

If you are going to say the data is wrong, then you are going to need to bring your data. Simply saying it is wrong does not justify your position.

DrSeussRevived

Around 2.5% of men vs around 19% of women have experienced domestic sexual assault, including attempts.

Figures for family abuse and stalking are closer, though women still suffer more, but isn't this campaign targeting partner assaults, sexual and non sexual, rather than family/stalking?

The sex of the perpetrator and the severity of the assaults are not shown in that data though I think the latter is in the full report

Here is the full report, it covers everything from homicide to rape, abuse, stalking, hate crimes, etc

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/compendium/focusonviolentcrimeandsexualoffences/2015-02-12

DrSeussRevived

Bare in mind these figues are under-reported, especially for male domestic abuse"

Why especially for male abuse ? IIRC, there is some data to show men report after fewer incidents than women, though I am on my phone so can't look right now.

The below report under prevalence and summary outlines the trends in reporting to police. A lack of bodies to report to is a factor as well as social stigma has been outlined as a reason for male under-reporting.

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/116483/hosb0212.pdf

It's a shame though as unfortunately a lot of men do report abuse as a means of revenge.

My former stepfather tells everyone all his partners were abusive, despite the fact that four have got injunctions out against him for stalking and three have had fairly serious injuries from him. But he reported one of them for slapping him in the face when he spat at her while she held her six month old baby. She was arrested. He will be on that list of male "victims".

I'm not denying there are some genuine male victims. There are. But the majority of ones I've dealt with have been dishing it out too.

I don't think you have to be a misogynist to want adverts and campaigns about DV to recognise female aggressors...I think you just have to know a man who is suffering DV.

I do - and it makes me crazy every single time DV is discussed on the radio as something only perpetrated by men.

I agree IceBeing

My DBro was nearly killed by his exW.

Ice, I don't think anyone is denying that men suffer DV at the hands of women.

All government advertising is accountable and has been massively cut back in recent years. Therefore it has to be targeted for maximum effect.

Others have said the website for this campaign talks about both sexes. It's also possible they plan specific ads for female read publications and different ones for male read (this could also be social media campaigns etc).

What it isn't is "horribly sexist"

And you don't have to be a misandrist to think the vast majority of perpetrators are women, you just have to work in dv.

Victims, even!

Do you mean victims?

You do seem a bit dismissive of men being abused though May

the facts posted in this thread indicate there is not even a factor of 2 between male and female perpetrators.

700,000 male victims per year is more than the number of babies born...so it isn't a small issue....I would imagine it is worth 5 seconds out of a 30 second advert spot?

In my place of work only 10% are women...I am glad that doesn't get rounded to 0%.

Rounding the 40% of DV victims who are male down to 0% is actually extremely sexist.

It's not 40% though, is it.

RTFT.

It's not 40% though, is it.

Domestic abuse is. According to the posters like the one i posted above.

40% is WRONG.

It was information from an MRA group. FFS.

It was information from an MRA group. FFS.

on an offical poster?

7.1% of women and 4.4% of men
700,000 of 1.2 million

what percentage is that, i'm no good at this stuff, 35%??

I've been reading the statistics posted and it really has highlighted the complexities in even looking at the data we can collect never mind the unreported data. Many of the statistics including 'Intimate Personal Violence' include but don't separate statistics related to family abuse so would include parent to child, child to parent (and if there is any kind of taboo in this I think it would be that one), siblings etc. There also seems to be very little collecting of the information about the perpetrators.

On balance it appears that male victims of abuse regardless of the sex of their abuser should also be encouraged to report and that all people male or female need to know more about what non-violent abuse looks like.

it's 41.6666666667%

Based on 2014 national statistic figures for domestic ABUSE.

Parity first provided the 40% statistic. Parity are an MRA group.

The statistics are wrong, but incorrect statistics are often repeated as fact - particularly once reported in mispgynistic publications such as The Guardian.

It's not 40% at all.

I've just worked it out based on the national statistic figures.

7000,000 (Men) - 1.2million (women) = 500,000

500.000 divided by 1.2 million = 0.41666666666 X 100 = the percentage (41.6666666667%)

I'm not very good at maths, so someone needs to check.