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To think you don't fire your employee in a public place within earshot of dozens of strangers?

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BipBippadotta · 26/02/2016 17:42

This has been haunting me all day.

So this morning I was sitting in a branch of Pret, when a woman a table over started talking incredible loudly on the phone about a team member of hers who was underperforming. She was clearly on to her HR department, announcing her intention to fire this person, asking how much notice she'd have to give them, what severance pay, etc.

A moment later, she made another phone call, asking someone to come and meet her in Pret 'for a brief chat'. I thought, surely she's not summoning her employee to an entirely public place to be sacked? Cos you'd have to be a sociopath to do that, right?

A woman came in & sat down, the first woman told her perfunctorily she was 'no longer suitable for the role', talked her through what she would be paid, offered her the opportunity to clear out today or work a notice period. Bizarrely, she also told the sacked employee the team were going out for drinks and asked if she would be coming along! Throughout this the employee looked mortified, and at one point seemed on the verge of tears, and left when the conversation was done.

Just to reiterate, this was the middle of a coffee shop, 10:30 AM, so quite a few people in there but still quiet enough for EVERYONE in there to hear the entire conversation. I heard what this woman was being paid for her notice period. I heard all the reasons she was considered to be underperforming.

Sacker then got on the phone to HR, said it was done, had a little chuckle about how the sackee had 'got a bit emotional'.

Am I being U to think that this is unbelievably unprofessional behaviour?

And was I U to have left a little note to this effect on her table, as I had to leave for an appt before she was done chortling down the phone about her former employee's public humiliation?

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MammaTJ · 26/02/2016 18:44

What did your note say?

BipBippadotta · 26/02/2016 18:45

My note said something along the lines of 'does your HR department know you conducted that meeting in a public place, where private details of your employee's pay, performance and dismissal were overheard by strangers? Next time book a private meeting room.'

Not my best work. But I was in a hurry. I had fantasies of confronting her in person, but she was taking too long on the phone. I rehearsed what I would like to have said to her in my mind for the rest of the day.

noname I think it is a thing - I overheard a job interview in Costa a couple of weeks back.

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SeriousCreativeBlock · 26/02/2016 18:46

YANBU This happened to DP in a Costa last week! Awful way to go about something so sensitive.

almondpoisson · 26/02/2016 18:46

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StealthPolarBear · 26/02/2016 18:47

I had a job interview in a coffee shop, well actually one of those open plan places in big shopping centres, about 15 years ago.

StealthPolarBear · 26/02/2016 18:48

Serious he got sacked or he heArd one?

almondpoisson · 26/02/2016 18:49

I think it's quite a common occurrence to conduct job interviews in public places, typically busy coffee shops. But yes, this takes the biscotti. Well done for leaving a note.

SeriousCreativeBlock · 26/02/2016 18:49

He got sacked in Costa

BipBippadotta · 26/02/2016 18:51

No way, SeriousCreativeBlock! Your poor DP. So it is a thing. This is what I was afraid of. Civilisation is on its knees.

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wannaBe · 26/02/2016 18:56

Years ago I did telesales, and the manager sacked a member of staff in front of the whole office. I was actually on the phone at the time when she came over and said she needed a word with him, and then proceeded to tell him that "I'm afraid we're going to let you go." He told her to fuck off in no uncertain terms and then stormed out. Her manager then came in and told her (in front of everyone) how unprofessional she had been to do that in front of everyone. Oh the irony.

FruStefanOla · 26/02/2016 18:56

Bip, great note. I hope she felt suitably mortified once she finally got a chance to read it. And maybe she's now worrying that you heard an awful lot more and might contact her employers about the whole thing. Although, as a PP said upthread, I wonder if she was the boss of the company so thinks she's immune from being disciplined herself.

Stealth, I once had a job interview in a wine bar - and we drank wine. In fairness though, the guy interviewing me was a friend who was offering me a job in his, soon to be, new business. I got the job and had 13 happy years there!!

StealthPolarBear · 26/02/2016 18:57

I'm so sorry :( are you going to be ok?

StealthPolarBear · 26/02/2016 18:58

Fru do you work for mnhq?

SinisterBumFacedCat · 26/02/2016 18:59

To be honest I'd consider contacting Prets Head office because I don't think when cafes offer free wifi to help working out of office that hiring this is what they had in mind. Imagine if the employee had reacted aggressively, although unlikely imagine why this is the cowardly reason behind doing this. A description of the the woman to HO and the branch of Pret, as if she has decided to use a cafe as an office she is probably a regular.

Tbh I hate bosses giving any staff a hard time on the shop floor, and have made my feelings known to a few tin pot generals who have decided to admonish staff on the shop floor in front of the public to let them know how unprofessional they are.

wannaBe · 26/02/2016 19:00

I think it's also fairly commonplace to conduct appraisals and such in coffee shops.

FruStefanOla · 26/02/2016 19:01

"Fru do you work for mnhq?"

Stealth. I wish Grin

You know that I don't. You and I have met .... in a wine bar Wine Wine Grin

SeriousCreativeBlock · 26/02/2016 19:02

We're going to be fine thanks :) we're in the same position we would have been anyway (financially) and he has a few interviews lined up in the next week already. I'm just upset because he was sacked due (in part) to his mental illness, which is a shame because his boss was his friend and he really is very good at what he does.

Sorry to hijack the thread a bit!

StealthPolarBear · 26/02/2016 19:02

Well I know :o but as I was reading that it occurred to me you're probably the ultimate mner :)

StealthPolarBear · 26/02/2016 19:03

Bast Ards! He doesn't sound like much of a friend. I hope one of his interviews pays off.

StealthPolarBear · 26/02/2016 19:05

Every time I go through waterloo I look up and think about you, hearts, limited and the other mner whose name has slipped my mind but it'll come to me. So if anyone sees someone walking into random objects in Waterloo, say hi.

FruStefanOla · 26/02/2016 19:07

Sorry - I hijacked too Blush.

To get back to the thread. I can't believe that interviews and firings are commonly carried out in public places these days. That is absolute shit and I'm shocked. I hope that things work out OK for you Serious.

midsomermurderess · 26/02/2016 19:08

In many businesses meeting rooms are hard to find nowadays. Still, this woman's behaviour sounds deplorable.

FruStefanOla · 26/02/2016 19:08

It was Hearts, limited and SweetBabyJebus!

BipBippadotta · 26/02/2016 19:17

I know it can be hard to find a meeting room, but you've got to try, surely, if you're sacking someone? I guess at least she didn't do it at the pub in front of the whole team.

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Kelsoooo · 26/02/2016 19:18

I once met my manager in a pub to discuss a safe guarding issue.

And all our team meetings were held in the pub....

Still feel grubby