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AIBU to think that something other than killing this dog could have been done?

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NotGonnaAnswerThePhone · 24/02/2016 14:10

This is such a terrible story and not to be read by the fainthearted.

I understand that the dog could have caused an accident even at 3am when traffic is a lot quieter but surely they could have tranquilised it? Shit, even shooting it would have been more humane than accelerating towards it at such a high speed to ensure the dog would be killed outright.

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NotGonnaAnswerThePhone · 24/02/2016 14:37

Ok so let me get this straight, driving at top speed- careering down an unlit tunnel with the aim of smashing into a dog is safer than calling the RSPCA to come and safely remove it? A job they probably have a lot of experience with.

Like some kind of fucked up Dodgem ride

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MrsGentlyBenevolent · 24/02/2016 14:40

a child could easily be caught. a person could be caught.

a person would not run head first into walls or chew of limbs to escape.

A person with low mental capacity can do things to cause harm to themselves or others - what if it's an actual motorway, high traffic, and a person with a tedancy to be highly violent is running around? Say holding something that could be thought of as a weapon? It's not an unreasonable idea - do you run that person down for the sake of road users?

They did not 'do their best'. Hope it does bloody haunt them, doing such a vile thing.

MrsGentlyBenevolent · 24/02/2016 14:42

Eh? It was a dog - it was a living creature. I don't understand why some people think humanity are the be all/end all on this planet.

NotGonnaAnswerThePhone · 24/02/2016 14:42

Wasn't that long ago that I watched a documentary about a woman who murdered a guy. The doc started off with her and her sister purposely running out onto a motorway infront of lorries. Just about survived. No police Officer shot them or drove at them, they were caught despite being punched repeatedly during the process

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MimiSunshine · 24/02/2016 14:43

Where does it say in that article that they were in a tunnel? Don't let one previous posters "apparently they were in a tunnel" comment become fact in your narrative

SmallGreenBouncyBall · 24/02/2016 14:43

the police do not carry guns and tranquelizers are (rightly) heavily restricted and prescription medicine. would have taken ages to get a suitable veg to the szene.
as sad as it is they did the right thing.
the dog owner should be billed the cost of this operation which wouldn't have been necessary had the dog been under control.

PaulAnkaTheDog · 24/02/2016 14:44

So you hope the officers, who were following orders from their superiors, are haunted by this Benevolent?

Nice.

SmallGreenBouncyBall · 24/02/2016 14:45

vet not veg Confused

SnakesandKnives · 24/02/2016 14:45

Tranquilising isn't a real option in a situation like this - it doesn't work like on Tv

I'm a HUGE animal lover. I HATE that there is often a very 'it's only an x' attitude amongst a surprisingly large proportion of the population.

I still agree with what the police did here.

ComeonSummer1 · 24/02/2016 14:46

It's an awful thing but how could they have blocked both carriageways? Cars were swerving.

It's north wales. How long would it take to get police cars to
Block the whole road.

Imagine a lorry crashing into cars. Could have been carnage.

But poor poor dog.

LilCamper · 24/02/2016 14:47

This was a LIT dual carriageway, in North Wales, at 3 o'clock in the morning. Not Picadilly Circus at rush hour.

Trying to grab a scared dog is going to result in a bite. The dog warden should have been called out.

Disgusting behaviour by the police.

MrsGentlyBenevolent · 24/02/2016 14:50

Absolutley Paul - no one made them do it. Anyone with half a brain would know this was a cruel thing to do. It is NOT the right way to destroy an animal - it may just leave it in horrific pain until it does die. I don't care if it's animal or human, what an awful way to end a life. Would you do it? The people involved should be ashamed.

PaulAnkaTheDog · 24/02/2016 14:51

No, it was UNlit.

PaulAnkaTheDog · 24/02/2016 14:52

So, they should risk losing their job by defying orders just to appease people who weren't there and have no realistic idea of the situation? Right.

Personally I think someone hoping this haunts those involved is pretty sick as well.

Zariyah · 24/02/2016 14:56

Letting the dog run itself into a frenzy or get accidentally hit while they waited for specialist help would have caused the dog more distress. The outcome was likely to have been the same for the poor dog. They obviously genuinely thought the dog would die and that this was the least painful option for him/her.

MrsGentlyBenevolent · 24/02/2016 14:57

That's your opinion Paul. I would be haunted by it, if it were me what had taken a life on purpose.

Gileswithachainsaw · 24/02/2016 14:58

Maybe there was another way. without being there or being aware of the resources they had available and/or organisations willing to come out we cab really decide

I'm. sorry tue dog died. truly. and I'm an animal lover I would risk alot I'm order to save an animal. but I also don't believe allowing an animal to run itself to death for hours is the better option either

Gileswithachainsaw · 24/02/2016 14:58

we can't

PaulAnkaTheDog · 24/02/2016 15:00

That's different. You are hoping they are haunted by it.

Plomino · 24/02/2016 15:00

You do know the RSPCA won't come out at night ? We can barely get them out in daylight hours . Dog wardens won't come out and catch animals , they only collect them once they've been caught . And exactly how many tranquilliser equipped marksman do you think North Wales police have knocking about at 3am? That'll be none then . To get one would involve ringing round a number of vets , which takes hours . To get enough vehicles to get the roads closed takes forever . I know , I've tried with horses running up and down the fucking A40 . They tried catching it , and it tried to bite one of the officers , then ran into oncoming traffic in front of an HGV , causing it to have to take evasive action . Even in North Wales , shutting an arterial route causes massive headaches all round , at any hour, for which they would absolutely have been criticised too , had they chosen that course of action . And they wouldn't have been 'careering ' anywhere , they would have been driving in a camera and black box equipped roads policing vehicle , using their training to deal with an unwinnable situation. Again. And getting criticised again, by people with utterly unrealistic ideas of how few resources or options they were left with . Again. Do you seriously think either of those officers were thinking 'excellent , let's play Dog Run on the A55 , oh look direct hit ! I win ? '. Do you ?

And for what it's worth , yes , it may well haunt them .

MrsGentlyBenevolent · 24/02/2016 15:04

Sorry, I cannot agree with anyone who calls themselves an 'animal lover' thinking the kindest way to put an animal out of its distress it to hit it with a car. Is that how anyone on here would like to be 'put out of their misery'? It would not have been at risk of being run over if the police had done their actual jobs, and closed the road. It would have hardly caused a huge issue at 3am. In a way, it's a shame it did happen so early in the morning - if it had been rush hour, they couldn't have rammed it at speed could they? They actually would have had to use their tiny brains to think up a safe solution.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 24/02/2016 15:05

I should think if they'd decided to wait for a marksman or whatever and it took hours and meanwhile there was an accident and people died, that would be pretty haunting for them as well.

I can't believe this decision was taken lightly.

travellinglighter · 24/02/2016 15:06

I feel sorry for the dog but every minute it was on the road was a minute when humans were endangered. What were the options?

  1. Shooting with a tranquilliser dart.

Where do you get such a specialised piece of gear at 3am? If you can get it who can fire an unfamiliar weapon with that level of accuracy in low light conditions?

  1. Dog warden

Do the council maintain a 24 hour dog warden service? If so, can we cut it and spend the money on humans instead??

i was a bit surprised at their method but a swift execution is a better option than causing a major crash on a very fast stretch of road. If the dog had caused a crash and a human had been killed then people would have been queuing up to say why didn't the police kill it when they had the chance?

tigermoll · 24/02/2016 15:07

I would be haunted by it, if it were me what had taken a life on purpose

I take it you're a lifelong vegan, who never uses any medications (almost all of which have been tested on animals) or household cleaning products (ditto)? What about headlice treatment? That's 'taking a life on purpose'.

Or is it only the life of dogs that should be preserved at all costs?

lamiashiro · 24/02/2016 15:10

I don't believe they had any option really. As others have pointed out, since when do traffic police carry tranquilliser guns? They were undoubtedly horrified at having to do it but hoping for them to be traumatised by it when they see horrific injuries and deaths every day is a bit fucking much, frankly.

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