To think that seeing Galloway, Farage and Johnson in the same camp makes it obvious which way to vote.

[DreamingofSummer]

We don't need four months of campaigning to see that.

YABU. There are twats on both sides.

^ this.

It obviously isn't about personalities, but the fact that three certified idiots support the out campaign is a bit of a strong hint about its merits.

Boris is inexplicably popular so I would agree with the financial markets that his involvement probably makes a brexit more likely. (Sterling has tanked in response to the news).

OTOH the involvement of so many egos in a single campaign certainly makes it likely that we are in for an entertaining four months. Farage plus Galloway plus Johnson promises to be an entertaining three-in-a-bed . I wonder how long it will be before the recriminations start flying?

Does Gove hate Boris as much as his buddy Cameron does?

I'm voting out.

It doesnt work having countrys with such big living standards. People now have to compete with the worlds highly motivated individuals and there are brain drains in outher countries. Theres not room for everyone.

My concern as a woman and a mother of teen dds is that we are welcoming hundreds of young men into our society who come from totally different cultures some of which have very little respect for women.

But leaving the EU won't substantially affect that. We will still be subscribed to the European Human Rights Convention and will still grant political asylum. In any event, this is really a side issue and there are other means of tacking it; it's not a good enough reason on its own to risk the inevitable substantial downsides of leaving.

so we might as well make up our minds by following respected politicians, not these three stooges.
Oh yeah, "respected politicians" like Tony Blair.

I agree with your analysis about the outcomes being hard to predict, but that doesn't make a compelling argument either way - because staying in is hardly more predictable.

But leaving the EU won't substantially affect that. We will still be subscribed to the European Human Rights Convention and will still grant political asylum.

Except that once granted political asylum by any EU state, anyone can come here under the EU system, so the difference would be that we wouldn't be outsourcing our political asylum decisions to 28 other States.

I feel your pain but you have to vote with what you believe, not with who you like.

I voted no in the Scottish indyref, despite every single famous or political no supporter being pretty much a twat.

OK, so I share beliefs with some twats, I can live with it. Rest assured that there will be unspeakable bellends, convicted murderers and extremely badly dressed people on the other side too.

YABU
I'll be voting for policies, not 'personalities'. The fact that the triumvirate you mention are so odious is enjoyable but should be irrelevant.

Yabu.

I'm really not bothered by which politicians vote which way.

This. I have never agreed with DC on a political issue before and am not much liking the sensation this time, but needs must.

wasonthelist

Exactly

Are you Team Farage, Galloway and Bojo?

Or Team Cameron, Osborne, Blair and Mandelson?

Exactly There are epic twats on both sides. Educate yourself, and make a decision based on facts and not X Factor politics.

YABU

This is about far more than party politics, and to see Alan Johnson refusing to share a platform with Cameron to campaign for staying is just ridiculous. I used to have a lot of respect for him but a lot of it has evaporated.

I will be voting based on what I think is the best for our country - now and in the future. Not based on who from the political class is standing on which side of the argument.

If you can't stand Boris or Nigel, look at Frank Field, Kate Hoey or even the Trade Unionists Against The EU but for pity's sake don't be so shallow as to think Leave is all about the right wing.

This is about the political establishment (the centrists, the BBC, much of the mainstream press and the business elites) versus ordinary people - left and right and neither. Two fundamentally different visions of how this country ought to move forward. The political establishment will do everything they can to paint Leave as a load of frothing right-wingers, nasty xenophobes and swivel-eyed cranks. Don't fall for it.

YABVVVU

Anybody who votes either way in this referendum based on celebs/personalities is an idiot.

Yes, it is hard to get facts and to work out which will be best for the UK, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try. Make you own mind up based on information.

I think we should make up our own minds regardless of politicians' personalities.

But leaving the EU won't substantially affect that. We will still be subscribed to the European Human Rights Convention and will still grant political asylum

There is a mass movement of young men from safe countries like Morocco taking advantage of Merkels call to the genuine refugees from Syria, (whom we all want to help). Merkel is now making a list of safe countries to deport these men back too, However, they have lost their papers, they have in some cases got rid of their finger prints and done everything to make finding out their nationality nigh on impossible.

Its mainly these very young men, who are causing the problems in Germany and specifically In Cologne when all those girls/women were sexually assaulted on mass. They are causing massive problems in Denmark, Sweden, Norway etc.

Soon they will all be eligible to move freely across Europe and to the UK on German etc passports. Its a massive problem and the EU cannot effectively deal with it.

Alan Johnson knows what he's doing. In Scotland, labour lost support they may never get back in our lifetime for standing with the Tories against Independence.

Lots of people can only see 'Tories bad' and by extension anyone who agrees with the Tories on any issue is also bad.

The parties need to campaign separately. Our electorate are not sophisticated enough to extract issues from the background of two party politics.

EasterChocs france has had a large Algerian and Moroccan population for many years. Just across the channel from you, many with French passports! Lock up your daughter, quick!

And I were the Labour Party, I would politely say to Cameron that it's his referendum and his campaign, and step right back.

I am very pro the UK remaining - but I do not think it should be at the cost of the UK having an effective opposition. Corbyn should follow his instincts and remain neutral in this.

EasterChocs how familiar are you with life in modern day Morocco/Algeria? Can you really think of no reason at all that people (even young men) might wish to flee?