to disapprove of my friend

[Lilyannapollyanna]

My friend has a teenager who left school last year. Although her child is in college, she also has a job. But she hasn't declared that her DD works to child benefit - the job is cash in hand. I don't begrudge any kid earning a bit of money but isn't this fraud? She's always been one to voice opinions about people on benefits, even slagging off a family member once who sold things over the course of a month (their own possessions) because they were moving into a smaller house - basically saying they were on benefits and the money should have been declared.
AIBU to think that she's being a hypocrite? Tbh I think the main reason she's doing it is so that her ex's maintenance amount doesn't change due to the child earning money. It's not just a Saturday job either she works some evenings and days while not at college - plus extra during holidays.

Know - ffs

As said, cash in hand isn't illegal, it's casual labour and she doesn't pay Tax, yet, or Council Tax.

For Child Benefit purposes, how much she earns is irrelevant, whether it's a paper round, or a stunt on Coronation Street, as a child actor.

You need to let this go and accept your friends opinion, but tell her that you don't want to listen to it.

We'll look forward to that thread in a few days when you think the dust has settled and you want to be vindicated for your patent nonsense.

Thanks for your input. Hope
You all have a nice day waiting for
The next person to jump all over and insult like a pack of playground bullies.
I will be name changing now just to avoid being stalked on other threads like I've seen happen on here before.

It's not hypocritical or fraud because CB for 6th form age is based on whether they are deemed full time. If they are, they can work as much as they like. It has no bearing and doesn't have to be 'declared' to CB.

so you are called out for being ignorant and unpleasant and the immediate response is to call "bullies"
Okaaay

I love the way she still doesn't get it.

You haven't been bullied. You asked if you were unreasonable and you were told you were. So you asked again and again. The answer didn't change.

If you can't stand the heat don't post in AIBU.

It is illegal for businesses to pay staff without putting it through their books - often known as cash in hand.
If your friend had been judgemental about businesses which dodge tax and don't protect their employees, but is bragging about her DD benefiting from a cash in hand arrangement, she would be a hypocrite.

But she's not. She's judgemental about people who claim benefits. She's uneducated but not hypocritical.

HTH

Are personal attacks on other posters not against MN rules? Or are you part of the group who are superior to these rules?

'I will name change now because I've behaved like a twat and flung insults around and I don't want to be called on it again'.

See, this is why people shouldn't be allowed to go 'oh, I'm just going to name change now'.

Don't behave like a dick and you won't need to name change.

i think imconfused cash in hand used to mean just that, so employer doesnt pay enic etc, basically a tax/ni dodge, was illegal, does it mean something diff now?

Ah here we go
Regular bashing
As well as benefit bashing
And you still dont get it

Are personal attacks on other posters not against MN rules?

Yes, they are.

You asked a question you were told you friend was doing nothing wrong. You then grasped at straws determined to get someone to agree with you. You can't just call bullies because people don't agree with you.

Honestly your friend and her daughter are doing absolutely nothing wrong, so just stop talking to the woman if you don't like her.

Please name those who are in this 'superior group' please, OP.

I shall take the moral high ground of MN and hide this thread now. Go find someone else to be nasty and call names

""cash in hand is dodgy though isnt it?""

Only if it isn't going through the books, from their end, or you are knowingly employing someone who shouldn't be working.

Cash in hand, is a great way for a Student, someone who is outside the benefit system etc, to pick up work. H&S, working practices etc still apply, it would be a shame if 'a days labouring/cleaning' job didn't exsist, because it was misunderstood.

""i hope you all feel better about yourselves for being judgmental and rude.""

OP, I hope that was said ironically.

If she's in college full time then her earning a few quid on evenings and weekends wouldn't affect CB or maintenance.

So YABU and you're just plain wrong.

Child Benefit is not the same as 'benefits' that someone would claim. Up to about 3 years ago Child Benefit was not means tested and paid to all parents with a fixed amount based on how many children you had. It is paid from birth to when the child is 18 or leaves full time education. 3 years ago it changed and only paid to families where one or both parents earns over £50k.

It is paid to the parents and does not matter if the child is earning or not. Probably the Harry Potter film kids parent's were getting Child Benefit whilst the kids were earning millions, and that would have been perfectly legal.

You have got this all wrong and you seem determined to find your friend in the wrong.

3 years ago it changed and only paid to families where one or both parents earns over £50k. NOT paid to families where one or both parents earns over £50k.

'Take the moral high ground and hide this thread' means 'run away like a coward custard because I've dug myself into a beeeeg hole'.

thanks Birds :)

i love the idea that there are still old school employers who pay in cash, used to love getting my little brown envelope at the end of a hard days graft, £10 for 5 hours work!

Op you sound like a child in a huff