to think that up to 5,000 Isil-trained jihadists in the EU is SOMEWHAT worrying?

[HaveIGotAClue]

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/12165093/Up-to-5000-Isil-trained-jihadists-could-be-at-large-in-Europe.html?sf21193208=1

And mistigri - it is entirely inconsiderate of anyone to be insensitive to Irish people who gave their lives to fight for their freedom the invader That would be Thatcher and the Queen and her predecessors. The Queen is the head of the british army. Did you know that?
Do you know how significant it was for us to have her over in Ireland?
The head of the British Army - came over and was welcomed in Ireland. (In fairness, we did respond in kind by sending our poetic President leprechaun over for a visit to the palace too). The army responsible for centuries of torture of Irish citizens?

If you're not Irish, you don't learn the Imperial Crown version of history.

Mistigri - have you ever been bullied and tortured? Have you seen your parents bullied and tortured? Have you seen your children bullied and tortured? Have you ever witnessed a loved one shot to death? And it covered up? If not, and if you have not had to live with the legacy of being a descendent of that, then you are in no way qualified to comment.

Have you been tortured op?

Check out time I think.

I don't know why you're banging on about the "Imperial Crown", when the fact of the Troubles is that the IRA did not have the support of the majority of the people of the island of Ireland, hence they lost, hence the overwhelming support for the Good Friday Agreement.

There's a reason why the SDLP dubbed the Good Friday Agreement "Sunningdale for slow learners".

However, feel free to continue defending the indefensible. You're giving quite a few onlookers a valuable insight into how ordinary, everyday people justify terrorism.

Ubik, regardless of whether there are or aren't similarities in the underlying situation, the UK knows an eNORmous amount about how "terrorist" groups work (often later called "independence" groups) because of NI and many, many end-of-Empire situations.

We know what sort of factors drive recruitment, how to make the situation worse (done that often enough), and so on. We could see what the Americans were doing wrong in Iraq (which hatched Daesh), because we've made those mistakes.

We shouldn't be turning our back on the lessons of NI, no matter how embarrassing they are for us.

you're giving quite a few onlookers a valuable insight into how ordinary, everyday people justify terrorism

Indeed.

IPityThePontipines - I am talking about 1921. You wouldn't know about it. Being British. You didn't have to suffer the legacy.

I don't think we should forget Tge Troubles.

I'm unsure what lessons we learned from it although sadly we do have expertise in investigating bomb related incidents.

Isis are a global threat. This is war in the Middle East played out across the world. Coupled with the largest humanitarian crisis since ww2. This us bigger than us, bigger than Europe. I don't think there are many useful parallels with NI.

I think op brought up NI because he/she has an agenda.

Also - pontopine - the good friday agreement had nothing to do with us not supporting the cause of the IRA. It had everything to do with us trying to finally achieve peace. It was the first time I ever voted and I voted for the Good Friday Agreement.
Please don't come on here gob-shiting out of ya, unless you know what you're talking about.

In fact - I did not bring up NI. I responded to some other genius who compared the threat of ISIS to the threat of the IRA.

The threat of ISIS (killing innocent people to further their own agenda) is the same as the threat of PIRA (also killing innocent people to further their own agenda).

The only difference is the timeframe.

If that makes me a genius...thanks, it's been a while

Here's another song:

This is a song we always sing at international matches. With pride.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Charles_Trevelyan,_1st_Baronet

If you wish to google - there was a blight on the potato alright, but British policy starved 1 million to death. That is why there is a LITTLE bit of strained relations between the Crown and Ireland.

To anyone British who may not have studied Irish/English history in the same way as Irish have, here is a very contemporary and short article which touches on the tip of the iceberg of 800 years of tyranny.

www.irishtimes.com/1916/diarmaid-ferriter-why-the-rising-matters-1.2353812

This year is our centenerary year of the Rising. It is an event and a date which has massive significance to Irish people. Pretty much all of those involved were executed at Dublin Castle. Just taken out and shot.

And - we have songs about that too! :D

Irish History is not some mythical secret, obtainable only to the very special, I know all about the Famine, thanks.

I also think you should stop claiming the majority of Irish people supported the IRA. They clearly didn't, as evidenced by the large amount of protection money they had to forcibly extort from their own community order to fund their terrorist activities. Surely a loved organisation like the IRA wouldn't need to do such a thing to their own community.

Try telling the families of the three Gardaí murdered by the IRA, how all the Irish people support the IRA.

Try telling the largely Irish families of The Disappeared how much the all the Irish people support the IRA.

Then there's the fact the organisation responsible for killing the most Catholics in Northern Ireland was...the PIRA. You can have a look on the Sutton Index of Deaths at the CAIN website to verify that.

It's mad how migrant and refugee are being used like they mean the same thing? I can't take people with that level of ignorance seriously.

Google the meanings of these words, you are using them as blanket terms incorrectly, to make the ignorance you are spouting sound less bad.

In answer to IPity here is the iceberg underneath the Jihadists who support their beliefs and aims. Only a small percentage are suicidal / homicidal at any one time. But that doesn't matter because Europe will be conquered by sheer numbers of people adhering to a quite different belief system.

As I said, it doesn't really matter to us, we'll be long gone. But our kids and grandkids will get to enjoy it.

You can take steps to heal the world or steps to keep hacking away at the already open wounds created by war, religious divide and Ill informed prejudices.

Scattered - No, Europe will not be "conquered" by Muslims, see my link upthread.

I don't know where to start with the stupidity of your diagram. I find it worrying that people are that desperate to hatemonger. Thinking that most Muslims secretly support terrorism and should be punished accordingly is not going to lead us anywhere good as a society.

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It's mad how migrant and refugee are being used like they mean the same thing? I can't take people with that level of ignorance seriously.

Google the meanings of these words, you are using them as blanket terms incorrectly, to make the ignorance you are spouting sound less bad.*

Where??

cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/violence/majinc.htm

A link for you porcupine......

Porcupine - "Thinking that most Muslims secretly support terrorism and should be punished accordingly"

Where have you seen this said?