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Regarding landlords responsibility for gaps that cigarette smoke enters my property?

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Oldisthenewblack · 11/02/2016 16:31

I live in a housing association flat. There appears to be some kind of gap at the back of the kitchen cupboard under the sink. The holes are where pipework emerges, so it's a 'necessary' hole. The problem is that the gaps around the pipework are just empty, there is no filler or cover there. These holes must somehow be connected to the flat next to me, as over the 15 years I have lived there, all manner of smells have emerged from this cupboard, food smells, paint smells...you name it.

I've always put up with this as I realise there are lots of things that have to be tolerated when you're living in close proximity to other people. However, a new tenant has just moved in next door, and I suspect he's a smoker as this morning, when I entered my kitchen, the smell of cigarette smoke hit me.

Now, just to be absolutely clear: I am well aware that what other people do in their own homes is their business. I am entirely unconcerned with whether someone smokes or not. My concern is that this smoke is entering my property and, if it continues, could affect my health. I suffer from asthma, take two inhalers to manage the problem, and cigarette smoke is one of the things that can really bring on an attack.

I rang the housing association this morning and was told, in no uncertain terms, that there's nothing they can do. They continually repeated that "we can't tell people what to do in their own homes". ENTIRELY missing the point that I have no desire to curtail what people do in the privacy of their own homes. The maintenance woman was extremely patronising and because of her attitude I'm going to put in a formal complaint, but aside from that, I'm asking: am I being unreasonable to expect the landlord to sufficiently seal gaps between properties so that cigarette smoke from one property does not enter another? Is it really My responsibility?

I felt I was being fobbed off. One member of staff, suggested that for example, if my neighbour were to smoke out of the window, it may still drift into my property via MY window. There is of course, no comparison, as I could close the window! It was just one of many silly things they said to me. None of which addressed the issue of my property being (in my opinion) inadequately sealed.

Thank you for reading - sorry it's so long!

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AliceInUnderpants · 12/02/2016 14:19

Surely you've been long aware of this large hole, as you would be able to hear everything neighbour was doing/saying next door and vice versa. Could you have HA block it on privacy grounds?

SpoonfulOfJam · 12/02/2016 15:00

Just to say you have my sympathy. We were in a rented terraced house when my neighbours cigarette smell would permeate into my bedroom, with my newborn, in November. We had heating on full blast with window open. I spent nights sobbing. Was so glad when he moved out, and when we eventually moved away from that street too.

Adeleslostbeehive · 12/02/2016 15:52

They're not fit for purpose then howabout.
People will just remove the batteries. Good thing they are not wired up to the communal alarm as the fire brigade/ alarm company would be getting called out constantly (and you'd be recharged for it via your service charge)

howabout · 12/02/2016 16:46

You can't remove the batteries as they are wired up to the mains.

I agree with you about them being of dubious worth as mine go off with the combination of a fast boiling pot and a high heat frying pan and they are not even in the kitchen.

Fortunately they are not connected to the fire service but I can hear my neighbours' through the wall.

Oldisthenewblack · 12/02/2016 17:03

SpoonfulOfJam - that's awful! And with a newborn too. Harmful to the baby too and you. Glad you were able to move out!

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specialsubject · 12/02/2016 17:14

smoke alarms don't respond to cigarette smoke?

live and learn. As anyone smoking in my house would have a bucket of water thrown over them I've no experience of this.

and yes, while people can be asked not to smoke in a rental, it can't be enforced. So tenants that don't smoke are preferable. All you can do is get some of the resulting cleaning done from the deposit.

Adeleslostbeehive · 12/02/2016 17:32

Oh yes they can run off the mains electricity. I thought you meant they were all connected so one went off and they all did. I've never heard of that in a block, although obviously running off the mains electric circuit with battery back up isn't uncommon.

Of course smoke alarms don't go off when you smoke Grin think of all the people who smoke in their house!

Sallyhasleftthebuilding · 12/02/2016 18:05

Is this more accessible from next door? Have you asked? Might be easier from his side?

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