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Should I remove DS (11) from school? (Bullying)

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ClaireD2212 · 06/02/2016 00:45

Hi, sorry if this is in the wrong place, I'm new to Mumsnet. If it is, I'll delete it and put it somewhere else :)

I just have no idea who to turn to anymore, no one is listening to me, or my poor DS. Here's the story:

DS started Secondary School, in September, he was getting on well (so I thought) but during the Christmas Break, he came to me and just broke down. He explained to me how he couldn't go back to school and he can no longer deal with it anymore... I asked him why, etc. he explained that there is a 'gang' of people - some are in his year and they age all the way up to Yr 11 and they have been picking on him. They have been calling him names (he is quite small for his age) and sometimes even physically hit him, I told him that things will be okay and I would sort it.

We went up to the school (I had an appointment with his Form Tutor, after Christmas) he said that he'll put in a 'Bullying Report' and that was it. DS went back to school and when he got home, I asked him how it went and he said that everything was much better. I thought it was fantastic how quickly the school resolved things.

However, 2 weeks later, I was borrowing my son's laptop and there was a lot of history linking to many Tumblr pages - some about anorexia/self-harm/suicide, etc. this worried me a lot and when DS came home, I spoke to him about it and he said he was just looking at all different Tumblr sites, but I wasn't happy with that and I said I would rather he now used his laptop in the living room. That was that, I thought I would see how things went. A few days later, I was sorting out some of his Christmas bits, in his draw I found a pencil sharpener blade (it was loose, not inside a sharpener) and then I got a call saying that DS hadn't turned up to school. My heart sunk and I drove up to the school and explained the things I had found (I was thinking the worst) but then I got a call from him and he was asking me to come and pick me up, so I went and got him and he broke down and told me that things weren't better at school, but he didn't want me to worry. We had an appointment with the Head and Pastoral. They were both really nice and said he could be with them at break/lunch, while they sorted through everyone involved and got him to speak to a lady from the YMCA charity. However, no child was excluded.

Self-harming became a very frequent thing (with my 11, ELEVEN year old son) and this is when he got a CAMHS referral - we are still waiting to be seen. DS went back to school and, what the KS3 Pastoral described, 'had a mental breakdown' saying that 'no one is helping him', 'no one has stopped them tearing him apart' and I was called to collect him and take him to the hospital, which I did, he was assessed by CAMHS there and then said he would be followed up in the commuinity, this was yesterday. I'm just so lost. I cannot watch my child suffer like this, but I don't know what to do - he is locked away in his bedroom and doesn't want to leave and when he does, he will just sit and hug me and that's all he is doing. Does anyone have any advise? Sorry that it's so long, but I didn't want to have to keep adding bits :(

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ClaireD2212 · 06/02/2016 01:51

memyselfandaye - wow, I never knew you could do that! I have just done a quick google search and there's a lovely one near us, proper fancy and only costs that price, amazing, will have to be doing that, thank you x

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ClaireD2212 · 06/02/2016 01:54

Maryz - yes, there is a peer mentor system and the Yr 10s do it for the Yr 7s, but the problem is there are a couple of Yr 11s involved and have been physically violent towards him.

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ClaireD2212 · 06/02/2016 02:01

Maryz - there are then people in Yr 10, who are in the 'gang', there's at least one child in every year belonging to it, unfortunately...

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AgentZigzag · 06/02/2016 02:03

If I can say this without minimising what's happened, I wouldn't take any irreversible decisions (like taking out of school permanently or starting to HE him) just yet as his response might not be solely down to this specific situation.

Also, he has the right to be with his peers enjoying the process of learning, he hasn't done anything wrong, and although he's feeling bad at the moment that doesn't mean school's a total write off for the rest of his life.

Try to take this one decision at a time and only go with what you feel to be right, always hold on to the fact that he trusted you enough to come to you with it (eventually!), much worse if he'd never opened up and you were still thinking everything was sorted.

tinfoilhat · 06/02/2016 02:06

I honestly think you should forget this school, they have completely failed him and they are not keeping him safe! He also needs to know that the prospect of him having to deal with that place again will never happen, he needs to know you have listened and responded to his massive cries for help. I think that's really important for his recovery, for him to know you're listening and acting for his best interests, which is what you're doing right now.

tomatodizzy · 06/02/2016 02:06

It's the physical violence that's worrying. The emotional bullying can be just as damaging but physical violence steps over a boundary into personal space that makes the victim feel complete helplessness. Which is what self harm is all about, regaining some control over the one thing that the abusers have violated, which is his body. I would be escalating this with the school and following the advice to deregister. You need to get your son back to his old self, school can take a back seat for now. He's only 11, he'll catch up when he's ready.

ClaireD2212 · 06/02/2016 02:08

Thanks for your views x

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tinfoilhat · 06/02/2016 02:09

No one is saying forget school forever. He sounds like he is in immediate physical and mental danger, from others and from himself, so he needs immediate action to feel safe again.
It doesn't have to be for the rest of his school life!

ClaireD2212 · 06/02/2016 02:11

Maryz - I have spoken to my son/been in the 2 hour assessment, his unhappiness is because of the bullying. No, his squad is outside of school and the problem is, is the 'gang' are full of kids who most would find intimidating - they smoke, damage property, etc. so I don't blame the Yr 10 peer mentors for not being able to get them to back off

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itsstillgood · 06/02/2016 02:28

I repeat my advice to buy yourself time. My gut and my experience agree with tinfoilhat but home education is a big decision even if you are thinking only temporary. Arm yourself with information, what the school can/will do, legalities/practicalities of home education, what support is available from cahms/charities, are there other school options. Then you can make an informed decision, but don't underestimate the value of making your son feel safe.
I'm more south than south east but can find links to home ed groups for you if you want to pm me (or just if you want a chat and a bit of virtual handholding).

ClaireD2212 · 06/02/2016 02:31

Thank you :)

I'm pretty sure the local authority can provide eduaction at home, for specific reasons and I'll be speaking to CAMHS about that

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ClaireD2212 · 06/02/2016 02:33

Maryz - I'll be seeing what CAMHS advises, etc. before I do home schooling... I will persuade him to go back to swimming, but atm he really isn't mentally fit

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Soooosie · 06/02/2016 02:36

Home school to rebuild his confidence. Look into other schools for year 8 but actually he might need more time.

In the mean time concentrate on his interests learning wise. With time he can meet other home educated kids. Lots of nice ones about

Quietlygoingmad67 · 06/02/2016 02:43

YES! Ive been in your postion and I made the wrong choice! My DD at the age of 12 attempted suicide due to bullying at school! I knew nothing about how bad it was until this time. On the advice of the doctors and school I sent her back there. This was the start of yr8 but the bullying had happened in yr7. We had emergency appointments with Camhs and 3 subsequent apts after which they put her on a wait list for help as she was deemed 'safe' and not likely to harm herself! (she never did get to be seen and as far as I know is still on the wait list). She stayed at the school mainly because she was getting CBT and pastoral I out which was making her stronger. She did finally ask to move schools towards the end of year 8 and went on to be happy there and did very well academically! But still now aged 19 she has a deep mistrust of people - low self esteem and various other anxiety related issues - we have dealt with self harming and eating disorders all stemmed from the bullying she recieved (mental and physical - all boys!!). Go stay with your son and tell him you will do what you can to help him and you will fight for him. Keep an eye on any sharp objects/medication - sorry ive been on suicide watch for a 12yo and IT is heaetbreaking and soul destroying but you and him will get through this with the correct help and support!

itsstillgood · 06/02/2016 02:57

He still needs to be registered at a school for the LEA to provide any tutoring and that is usually only a few hours a week, this is generally a stop gap for illness. Cahms appointments can take a long time, worth chasing up where you are and that they are fully aware of everything. Some schools are supportive and may well, if asked, provide work that could be done at home and sent into school to mark while you wait on Cahms.

ClaireD2212 · 06/02/2016 03:19

itsstillgood - he was assessed under crisis and will be followed up at our house within a few days :)

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PomBearWithAnOFRS · 06/02/2016 03:40

I have 5 DCS, and ended up taking my no2 son (now 21) out of school after they just couldn't stop the bullying.
I home schooled him until he was 15, when he started college, and tbh although I never thought I would or could homeschool, I still feel that we saved his life by removing him from school.
It was far from easy, and is a very long story, pm me of you want details was very much a last resort, but it was what it took to keep him safe and happy and here!
I would do it again with any of my 3 younger DCs if I felt I had to - the school couldn't really do anything to help. They tried, and we blindly followed all their "procedures" and listened to them for 18 months, but when I witnessed my baby run out into traffic on a dual carriaegway twice, I knew that was "It" and enough was enough. I did the research, and was quite prepared to fight the LEA all the way and go to jail if necessary, to keep him safe, but luckily it never came to that. We did just fine with home education, and he is now working full time as a chef, lives in his own home, and does brilliantly. Thank God
If home schooling is what it takes, go for it. A live, healthy, unafraid child is so much more important than pieces of paper or tick boxes on some official's chart!

fleecyjumper · 06/02/2016 03:51

My son was bullied and very depressed. He said he didn't want to move school but we were advised to take him out of school immediately and change school by a paediatrician. The very day I told him he didn't have to go to school he started to change completely back to his old self. He was out of school for five weeks while we waited for his new school to accept him. (not home education during this time as I had to go to work) Despite having to travel a lot further he loves his new school, has many friends and no bullying at all. He went to a school where he knew nobody so nobody knew what buttons to press. I only wish we had done it sooner because he had already started GCSEs and it messed up his subjects (new exam boards and had to change some options), but he still did a lot better than he would have done being depressed. Yes, the victim shouldn't have to move but it's the happiness of the child that is important not what should be right.

memyselfandaye · 06/02/2016 04:29

I really feel for all of your bullied kids.

TyrannosaurusBex · 06/02/2016 05:27

I home educate my bullied DD. It's great, and has brought us closer. Wishing your DS a swift recovery.

antimatter · 06/02/2016 09:12

I would not trust his current school ar all. They know what's goong on and are keeping their status quo by following procedures.
Lots of goo d advice on this thread.

I hope your son will feel better soon.

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