To think this is disgusting and should not be allowed

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Man has given his sperm to 800 women, they pay him £50 which means his kids could meet each other when they're older.

AIBU to think this should lead to prove section?

"AIBU to think this should lead to prove section?" - Presumably meant 'prosecution'.

Pretty sure mass insemination by consent isn't a crime, though.

I don't know the story - if his £50 ejaculations are all going to women in the same locality, it could lead to some awkward situations when the results become old enough to have sex with one another.

I agree with most of your post Bill - but 'well shy of £1000'?

Where!?

www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Artificial-insemination/Pages/Introduction.aspx

£500-£1000 that says. And unmedicated will be at the lower end of that.

I had a fully medicated cycle early last year which was just over £900 at a very good clinic.

Bill, the traditional method of obtaining sperm is simply to shag healthy-seeming men! That's none too scientific, either, and has led to couples being unknowingly related in the past. More often in the distant past than recent, afaik.

But my point is that the option to pay for a foetus with pre-selected characteristics is extremely recent and certainly not the norm.

I forgot to congratulate you by the way, Bill :)

But were you using donor sperm, Bill?

That page is from the NHS which most single/same sex couples won't be entitled to.

One round of IUI with donor sperm is nearly £2000 at most private clinics. Blood tests, scans and counselling is around the £600-700 mark and for me, IUI with donor sperm is £1300. So just shy of £2000 - for ONE round!

I do agree with your post I do not wish to be accused of starting a fight but I do sympathise with women who want a child but struggle to raise the thousands it can cost, especially given that for single women they have to fund themselves through maternity leave alone and have childcare costs too.

Ty BillSykesDog for explaining....that was all I needed to know

The only thing I would worry about is the potential accidental incest and if there are any unknown genetic problems with the donor guy if he isn't doing it through licenced methods.

800 donations probably less than half probably succeeded in conception I imagine. What time period is it over?

The NHS treats private patients at those costs including same sex couples and single women, a lot of areas provide free IUI (6 cycles) in those circumstances.

Willow did you know that you can be treated at NHS clinics as an IVF patient? They are non-profit making and in their cost they include counselling and the HFEA etc, etc. The cost of a non-medicated cycle is £652.00 at my local clinic in Yorkshire. Plus you can use sperm from a friend/private donor at those clinics too, only it gets tested and is checked as safe.

Plus in the case of most of these women they would be eligible to egg share/donate which could stubstantially lower or eliminate costs.

Only if you have fertility problems to my knowledge Bill. I have heard murmurings of the NHS offering an IUI cycle free to same sex couples but I don't think anything has been confirmed.

The problem with egg sharing is that you do need to be under 35, and for most of us single women, we aren't :) In any case, it certainly doesn't eliminate costs - it reduces them, certainly.

I take your point about reducing costs by using sperm from a friend, but this assumes you have a close male friend you can ask, which I certainly don't!

Some do willow, I believe Manchester for one offers free IUI to same sex couples.

I'm absolutely not against same sex couples or single women having kids, I just think people who do it this way are putting themselves, their children and even their grandchildren at risk.

willow, Have you shopped around a bit and looked at being treated as a private patient at an NHS clinic? They're not for profit and usually don't have hidden extras so can be much cheaper. Ditto doing it outside the SE. I'm not saying this as a criticism by the way, just I hope you can get as many cycles as you can! Also at our age IVF can work out a better bet because of the higher success rate and cheaper than having separate IUIs (sorry if you already know this). I had failed IUI but successful IVF last year and am expecting twins in August.

Very good luck with your treatment. I do hope it all works out well for you.

I didn't think for a moment you were criticising, Bill; it's always helpful to hear from people on the other side of treatment as it were!

I paid £3000 for a package deal at my local clinic - three IUI treatments, which is slightly cheaper than one treatment which is £1300. However, there's no money back if I get pregnant on the first or second try. This combined with the blood tests and counselling and scan comes to £3700, so if isn't cheap but hopefully worth it.

Many congratulations on your twins; you must be thrilled. Are they identical? :)

Very irresponsible. In licenced clinics, I believe there is a limited amount of times someone can donate, because of the risk of siblings having relationships with one another unwittingly, I believe.

Why would anyone want a genetic contribution to their child from someone who sells their jizz at £50 a pop?

There's the thing, Mannery.

Your dad? Yes, he was a wanker by trade.

DS is conceived by donor through a clinic. They limit any offspring to five families. We have already met three others of the five children who are fathered by the same donor (we regularly all meet up) and DS can find out the details of the donor when he is 18. I wouldn't have considered doing it any other way than through the clinic, knowing it was safe for me, for him, and for his choices in the future.

Whilst I don't think it's "disgusting", after all, the sperm is still collected the same way whether using a clinic or privately, but I do think that it is irresponsible of people to use unregulated processes to conceive. Sadly, until it is more accessible for all to access, then there are going to be desperate people who will look for alternatives.

He should get a grip.

It is very irresponsible and a bit grim but he is counting the £40k and looking ahead to the next £40k I imagine

Foolish. Egg donation is sooo not the same- as egg donors you are only allowed to donate up to making 10 successful pregnancies.

That's an income of £40k for wanking!? Would he have to declare it to the tax man?

I'm in the wrong job.

(I have a million puns running through my head buy in far too coy to put them in writing)

Didn't Eva Ibbotson's father do that? Wait, going for a google.

Yes, she has something like 600 half siblings, maybe.
Eva Ibbotson

Ah - prosecution - yes that makes sense now, well done for translating, Garlic.

He should get a grip.

There was a (true?) Canadian film about a guy who did this. It was called Starbuck if you want to see it.

It is entirely possible that some donor conceived children will never know they are donor conceived... because their parents choose not to tell them.

Yes, the HFEA holds the donor register [for those conceived via a license clinic] which theoretically can be accessed once the donor conceived child reaches the age of 18... but if they haven't been told and never suspect they are donor conceived [i.e. are raised by heterosexual parents] then they would never think to access the register.

And HFEA legislation states that every donor cannot only donate to up to ten families... so not ten successful pregnancies as a previous poster stated. It is possible that each family could have two to three children for example and hence a donor conceived person having twenty to thirty donor conceived half siblings.