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To not understand the logic for transgender baptism

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ReallyTired · 30/01/2016 04:39

I don't understand why someone would want to be baptised twice, unless they see their first baptism as unsound. I know there are people who don't recongise infant baptism and are baptised by full immersion as an adult. Why would someone want to be re baptised because they have changed sex? They still have the same soul and are the same person.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-35441852

Surely there is one baptism for the remission of sins. The gender of that person is irrelevant. Baptism is not a naming ceremony, but a sacrement of the church. It's formally joining the church and surely you can only do that once. A transgender person can be baptised like anyone else, if they have not been baptised before.

I am in favour of a service of blessing for a transgender person, but theologically you can't be baptised twice.

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BeyondBootcampsAgain · 31/01/2016 08:23

I was quite happy religion-bashing til everyone came along moaning about the trans-bashing Grin

Lucymatilde · 31/01/2016 08:27

Let's start basher-bashing. Oh, wait...

BeyondBootcampsAgain · 31/01/2016 08:33
BombadierFritz · 31/01/2016 08:48

ReallyTired, honestly, do you think it matters? Do you genuinely believe God cares about our man-made rules and names for baptisms vs services of affirmation? I can't see how it matters. Its not like maths where two negatives make a positive. One isnt going to be cancelled out by another.

BombadierFritz · 31/01/2016 08:55

: "I felt saddened by the fact that this family were being shunned by many mainstream churches.

I thought that was a very relevant quote from the article

I know a couple who were married at a unitarian church as no other church would marry them (divorced). They are still so angry with the christian church about this and turned away from god. I dont see that as a good outcome. Of course nowadays they could be married in a c of e church. It is a good thing that there are churches outside c of e/catholic who are willing to accept people as they are and are not too bound up by theology.

Birdsgottafly · 31/01/2016 09:29

I have friends involved in 'Spectrum of Spirituality', in Liverpool.

Most say these sorts of 'wants', are about acceptance and recognition.

For many, it's important to feel accepted by the Church and Clergy.

Last month there were debates going on, in Clergy Anglican meetings about the call to 'Repent' and recognise the Church's 'second class' treatment of Gay people, if not addressed now, then 'Trans' will be on the list, in the future.

Just as the Pope apologised for the Catholic Church's inaction at the time of the Holocaust and various Clergy have apologised for the treatment of disabled/out of wedlock, children and not investigating sex abuse claims.

RufusTheReindeer · 31/01/2016 10:38

If they want to get baptised again and the church is happy with it i dont see why it would be a problem

i thought baptism was welcoming you to the church and introducing you to god...although that God bit seems a bit daft as you think he would already know about the baby Hmm

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