To be sickened to hear all the tributes being paid to Cecil Parkinson

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The "father" who refused to have anything at all to do withhis daughter -

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/12120477/The-only-promise-Cecil-Parkinson-ever-kept-never-to-see-his-daughter.html

Regards Keys she was rich, educated and utterly lacking in any feelings for his wife or her children. Not mother of the year in my opinion and I know she sold her stories as I remember reading them and remember her advertising the facts in the daily fail. They had a television advert with her on it.

That may or may not be true, but that excuses Parkinson's behaviour to his daughter how exactly?

Yanbu. Absolutely agree.

He is a scumbag and him being dead shouldn't stop people remembering that or saying that. An affair can be forgiven but treating your daughter like he did should never be.

Hihohoho1

Actually, Mrs Thatcher and those around her did espouse "Victorian values" - she said as much on TV in 1982, but that wasn't the only time, here's a quote from 1977
""the Victorian era — the heyday of free enterprise in Britain — was also the era of the rise of selflessness and benefaction"

Jan 16th 1983 - Weekend World -

Brian Walden
All right, now you know, when you say you agree with those values, those values don’t so much have a future resonance, there’s nothing terribly new about them. They have a resonance of our past. Now obviously Britain is a very different country from the one it was in Victorian times when there was great poverty, great wealth, etc., but you’ve really outlined an approval of what I would call Victorian values. The sort of values, if you like, that helped to build the country throughout the 19th Century. Now is that right?

Margaret Thatcher
Oh exactly. Very much so. Those were the values when our country became great, but not only did our country become great internationally, also so much advance was made in this country.

YANBU.
Disgraceful way to treat a child. Reading that article and seeing it all from her perspective was so sad. Not even 1 fucking birthday card from her father in her whole life? And disgusting that Sara had to take him to court to get maintenance, and that his injunction stopped his daughter from being allowed to fully participate at school, and made it difficult for Sara to get her the medical help she needed.

Look don't get me wrong I am in no way apologising for him just feel the day he died is not the right day to start saying he's a bastard.

I agree - which is why I didn't say that; my point was the tributes to him were a bit much.

Sara Keays appears to have been a loving mother who's devoted her life to her child with complex needs.
The father's conduct has been contemptible.

Yes but she didn't run with it that was major. It was a remark.

Mind you if she could have put kids up chimneys she would.

I agree OP.

I totally agree the tributes are too much as are some of the comments on here.

Ilovesooty obviously she's a loving mother, most mothers are,

However having an affair for 12 years selling her stories with no regard for the wife and worse his children is vile.

She's was angel or wronged teenager here.

They both bear the blame for cheating.

I know some on here think if you are single it's fine to shag married people women or men but it's really not.

Hihohoho1
I've posted a range of references from 1977 - 1983 - there are plenty of others. I accept that Thatcher was emphasising other aspects of the Victorian era, but she wasn't daft - she must've known that the Victorian Values that she and her adherents repeatedly espoused weren't solely financial. She was playing (as she so often did) a skillful political game.

YANBU OP

I won't criticise the injunction, because I doubt we know the full facts about it (could it have been granted to help protect the child from press intrusion, for example?).

But the fact remains, he never gave his daughter the chance to meet him. I can't comprehend behaviour like that. I find it abhorrent.

He behaved like utter scum, and today is as good a day as any to say it.

wonder if his legitimate ds will meet their 1/2 sister?

Andrewofgg it is not true to say both parents got the injunction, I remember seeing Sara Keays at the time and she was fighting the injunction.

wonder if his legitimate ds will meet their 1/2 sister?

I wondered about that - it's entirely possible they have already of course. The injunction ended when Flora was 18 - which is some time ago.

I feel sorry for all of them (the kids).

Sara Keays has had to devote her life to her daughter without any support. She wasn't responsible for hurt caused to his wife and children. He was. If she hadn't revealed the story I wonder how inclined he would have been even to give minimal financial support?

grannytomine

I think she initially agreed to a version of the injunction, then changed her mind, to be strictly accurate.

I always found him very irritating and pompous. Every time a 'great' man dies, we're expected to disregard x,y,z....... David Bowie had sex with under age girls apparently. I always roll my eyes at the way people faun over these great men. I think 'calm down'.

Ilove I think Sara Keays got her just desserts in regrds to herself. She knew damn well he was married with kids. She'd have been happy for him to leave his family. Was was in the wrong even though she wasn't the one in the marriage. However she did not deserve the treatment he dished out to her regarding Flora. And I think we can all agree Flora didn't. And in fact neither did his other children deserve this scumbag for a father, though I assume they won't see it like that.

Poor Flora, poor Sara and vile, vile Cecil.

This was a 12 year affair too, outrageous that he didn't at the very least financially support his child. Contemptible.

I don't think she agreed to what has been described as a draconian order which meant Flora couldn't even be in a school play. She fought it to the European Court of Human Rights. I think that would indicate it wasn't something she wanted or agreed with.

Humble314
I didn't know that about Bowie - although if true it's hardly out of line with the contemporary mores.

I was unsettled by the way he (Bowie) treated Mick Ronson and Trevor Bolder - and said so, but the day after, his old photographer came on the radio and said how he'd been really kind to him.

I dunno, I guess no-one person's all good or all bad - I certainly hope people remember the good and the bad about me.

It seems bloody odd and unfair that when famous people die, we're apparently only supposed to say nice things though.

grannytomine

I agree - I suspect she thought she was signing up to something to protect Flora and realised too late that it was really to protect Cecil Parkinson, and any benefits to Flora were secondary - by which time it was too late, but she says in interviews that she initally agreed.