To think that the 'Calais Camp' situation needs to be resolved ASAP!

[Kreacherelf]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3413566/Port-Calais-closed-migrants-storm-harbour-make-Spirit-Britain-ferry-desperate-bid-reach-UK.html

This is just getting ridiculous now. France need to take this problem to the EU and ask for help dealing with it immediately. It has gone on for too long and needs to stop.

I don't know what the answer is. I think the UK should take anyone under 18, and their family members. Other than that, everyone else should have to apply for asylum in France or risk arrest. Not a perfect solution, but the only one I have.

Angela Merkel has done the equivalent of posting on Facebook that there's a party round her parents' place and all are welcome to come round.

Taking a child in ''out of the cold'' to quote her words, doesn't entail giving that person a roof over their heads.
The cost of bringing up a child, up to the age of 18 is approximately
£230,000.
That doesn't even cover health care and Social Services costs over the course of that child's lifetime..

Now multiply that number that by however many children we are expected to take on board.
(it's not as simplified as simply 'giving them some warm clothes and some meals to eat)

Once again, lets ask the million dollar question that nobody seems willing to answer

Where is the money going to come from?

And that's not being cold-hearted, I would have us take them all in if we could, but you can't take a childish, naive approach to this situation.

to quote zsz's words.

Clearly we need more money in social services then

Where will the money come from?

And the people to run social services. There is a severe shortage of social workers in the market at the moment. Local authorities are having to spend a lot of money to try to tempt them in.

wandring you are spot on. Where does the money come from? Unless people in this country are willing to have benefits cut, taxes increased, even more stretched public services then it's not possible to take all these children.

It needs a rational response not an emotional one.

I'm wondering how the "I can't get my child into the school of my choice" threads are going to be going in due course.

That's the problem isn't it. The emotional "kind" responses are just not rational. Where does the money come from. There is one pot of money. It has to be used in the best possible way. What is the best possible way? Does taking in more refugees take precedence over support payments for disabled residents or fixing the NHS or building schools. It's an impossible choice.

The reality is though that this isn't a problem capable of being solved. If we open the doors then more come and the problem goes on and on and on.

That's people's personal money though. You can't legislate re how people spend their own money. The only thing you can do is raise taxes. And if you raise taxes then there are other things the population will be crying out for you to spend that money on.

I'm afraid I think you're hopelessly naive zzz

So what - we all stop buying coffee and donate the money to a 'Rehome the Calais Camp Residents' - and then continue to do so for how many years? Who will manage this fund and make sure that everyone continues to pay into it, instead of buying coffee?

Way up thread was a majority of the British public comment. Whilst no surveys are perfect at all yougov have polled on this and here is the link if anyone is interested.

yougov.co.uk/news/2015/09/06/no-increase-syrian-refugee-numbers/

Wtf? Coffee?

What on earth are you suggesting?

I don't drink coffee. In fact nobody in this house does. Are we exempt?

zzzz your arguments are quite frankly getting ridiculous now, coffee has nothing to do with refugees/economic migrants. You have yet to answer where all these people will be housed and then where their extended families will be housed, which schools they are going to go to or which dr surgeries will cope with a massive influx in numbers?

I have just read on another thread that a German woman moved to the UK left a good job because she can't live with all the new men and their behaviour in Germany.

Who is going to care for these teen refugee males?

You're effectively saying raise our taxes ZZZ. Which is fine in theory but according the the YouGov survey only 5 percent of the UK population believes that we should be taking in more people. So you are very very much in the minority.

As such, I cannot see that any government raising taxes to deal with the refugee crisis is going to get a mandate to spend all of that extra "coffee cash" on this issue. The population as a whole seems to see the realistic scenario rather than a lovely utopian world where everyone is happy and skips around in a beautiful country where every person has a four bedroom house, a new car and a puppy funded by the state.

Some people on this thread are confusing the idea that all humans on the planet are equally deserving of human consideration (most people in the UK agree with this) with the idea that all humans deserve access to the UK's social infrastructure (I think you'll find that only a very small minority of people in the UK agree with this).

If we all stopped drinking coffee then what about the coffee farmers?

Seriously, young unaccompanied children and vulnerable women must be helped, but how? Genuine question.

If they are placed with families here, and most of them seem to have some sort of family then might that work?

Social services desperately need money. There was talk of cutting the winter fuel allowance for the expats in warm countries, but that won't go far.

zzz Do you honestly think that if we let everyone at calais into the UK that would have dealt with the issue?

Zzzz good people don't encourage migration by sea. You are frankly terrifying in your naivety.
Stop chasing the who boost of "helping" and think with some logic and foresight.

Open borders activists are IMO harming the cause of asylum seekers.

I think the big difference with WW2 is the fragmentation of communities and the family units now.

We don't have the big family spirit and the tight community feeling these days, things are fragmented and transient.

I suspect the coffee farmers will be blithely told to get a new job. That was the advice of a charity activist at Calais to the lorry drivers who complain of intimidation.

I absolutely think we should help to a) to end the conflict in Syria and b) provide shelter, food, medicine, etc. But we shouldn't be removing anyone except the most vulnerable to other countries. IMO it is utterly irresponsible to encourage vast numbers of people to just show up in Europe and expect a warm welcome. Its not in anyone's interest for this to happen - not the countries that can't cope with the influx and risk losing their national identity, nor the people separated from their families, language and home culture.

Those countries that are able to (and yes I mean you China, USA, Canada, wealthy Middle Eastern oil countries, Australia, NZ, etc and not just those countries in W. Europe), should set up safe havens either within or without the borders of the countries where these people come from to protect them until the conflict(s) have ended. The current policy of 'leave it to Europe to sort out' is selfish and untenable, and allowing a 'survival of the fittest' test has created a situation we're now in. I wouldn't take a teenage boy from a war zone into my home and I don't expect anyone else to.