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to think that if you send a letter from a school that might go public - you check for comma splices

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katmanwho · 23/01/2016 13:29

School said it would give pupils bread and butter if they didn't have money.
Parents complain. Goes national in the news.
School retracts.

The letter is here:

www.albanacademy.org/assets/schoolmealsletterretraction-1.pdf

Part of it:

Following a number of parental concerns regarding the recent school
meals letter we have decided to rethink our policy and will not be
introducing the new system outlined in that letter.
I apologise if this has caused any offence, this was not our intention.

The letter itself was intended to explain the situation and trial a policy
that has been successfully adopted by other schools

Actually - commas seem lacking in the first sentence as well.

This is not a chatty letter. This is an official retraction.

Could do better Grin

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 23/01/2016 16:00

I don't think it was a newsletter.

A school newsletter is something gossipy, perhaps telling you about the great efforts children made in a charity event or similar. A chatty, but still grammatically, correct format would be appropriate if it were telling you about the P7 Bake Off.

This letter concerned school policy. A chatty , informal style is not appropriate, aside from the issues of grammar and sentence construction.

OurBlanche · 23/01/2016 16:03

If it has to communicate clearly with all adults, irrespective of literacy levels, then it should be less formal. The Crystal Mark frowns on ultra formal general communication.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 23/01/2016 16:10

You are assuming a formal letter means a letter written in complex language.

This letter was intended to explain school policy. I think that is not the same as a chatty newsletter. The letter is badly written.

OurBlanche · 23/01/2016 16:16

I am assuming that, as OP suggested, many people would find overuse of semi colons etc a tad intimidating in the latter in the OP.

I don't think the awfulness of that letter is in question. But less formal and less opaque would be a good idea if clarity of the issue was required.

OurBlanche · 23/01/2016 16:18

Oooh! What happened with that first paragraph? It seems to have become jumbled... my apologies, it's horrid! I suspect I hovered over my slightly too sensitive mousepad Blush

ComposHatComesBack · 23/01/2016 16:26

Schools should be modelling correct SPAG.

But it isn't incorrect.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 23/01/2016 16:30

I did wonder .

I quite like the idea of semi-colons being intimidating.

It could be the subject of an unreadable but highly praised novel by a writer from the former Iron Curtain bloc. "The Unbearable Tyranny of the Semi-Colon" perhaps.

RealHuman · 23/01/2016 16:31

Comma splices are incorrect in formal English. A comma shouldn't be used to join two independent clauses.The question is whether using correct formal English in a letter to parents gets in the way of communication.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 23/01/2016 16:32

trial a policy that has been successfully adopted by other schools is incorrect.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 23/01/2016 16:45

I apologise if this has caused any offence. This was not our intention

It is now correct (although I still think the intimidating semi-colon is better). That does not interfere with clear communication.

The letter itself was intended to explain the situation and trial a policy that has been successfully adopted by other schools

This sentence does not make sense. It does not communicate clearly.

The letter was intended to explain something - what exactly, is not clear. The letter could not "trial a policy ".

"The letter was intended to explain our intention of implementing a trial of methods which have been successfully adopted by other schools" makes sense.

If "implementing" is too difficult then

""The letter was intended to explain our intention of running a trial of methods which have been successfully adopted by other schools"

OurBlanche · 23/01/2016 16:48

Smile It does read like a really bad, online translation site was used!

I have worked with young adults with low literacy levels and, in general, they find all sort of punctuation scary. Anything other than a full stop causes anxiety for some. I have had to teach proper use of punctuation whilst trying to avoid overuse. The comma splice was always something that we practised = golden words, connecting words but never a subjunctive clause.

Did you know subjunctive claws can kill?

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 23/01/2016 16:50

Or even

"The letter was issued to explain our aim of having a trial run of methods which have been successful in other schools"

SuperMoonIsKeepingMeUpToo · 23/01/2016 16:50

Love the fact the OP is using hyphens rather than commas, colons or semi-colons. Better safe than sorry, eh?!

RealHuman · 23/01/2016 16:59

Have you tried working out how to type an m-dash on a computer? GrinWink

RealHuman · 23/01/2016 17:00

Or even an en-dash, for that matter. The hyphen is taking over the world...

tomatodizzy · 23/01/2016 17:04

Are you the same arseache who was complaining about comma splices a few weeks ago?

GOLD!

SuperMoonIsKeepingMeUpToo · 23/01/2016 17:06

Okay, so now I've learnt what comma splices, en-dashes and em-dashes are. Gotta love MN! (And Google)

AppleSetsSail · 23/01/2016 17:37

A strong writer can easily pull off the odd comma splice. Sadly, the writer in question isn't.

katmanwho · 23/01/2016 17:52

Love the fact the OP is using hyphens rather than commas, colons or semi-colons. Better safe than sorry, eh

I think that internet chat is quite informal - I love hyphens. I find it really really hard to do a comma splice. I think semi colons are too "formal" for internet chat.

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 23/01/2016 18:08

I think semi colons are too "formal" for internet chat

I've realised OurBlanche is correct about their being intimidating. I use them on Internet forums if I want prove I am correct and will brook no further argument.

SuperMoonIsKeepingMeUpToo · 23/01/2016 18:26

You're right; they are a bit much. But they do eliminate comma splices.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 23/01/2016 18:30

I use them on Internet forums if I want to prove I am correct and will brook no further argument.

katmanwho · 23/01/2016 18:49

lass

If you are correcting your own post, I think you have another correction to make Grin

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RealHuman · 23/01/2016 19:06

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ComposHatComesBack · 23/01/2016 20:28

The question is whether using correct formal English in a letter to parents gets in the way of communication.

In the context of a letter where the school are trying to strike a conciliatory tone and get parents back onside, a series of short, staccato sentences would have been inappropriate.