To not get schools issue with dyed hair?

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I suspect I may get flamed for this but I genuinely do not get it.
They have a rule against earrings including sleepers. That I get especially with younger children or in sports were children can end up getting them at worst ripped out.

I can kind of even get extreme haircuts with big shaved stars or strange styles that look unprofessional and might not be allowed by adults in a professional work place.

But this week and last term several of senior age children who had dyed hair brown/red/dark purple etc were sent home from school to re dye or put in isolation by teachers with errr brown/red/purple dyed hair! One of the children's teacher has bright purple hair. It does not make her any less of a English teacher or lesson her professionalism in school I don't reckon so what is the problem for teens?

teacher was that to me, your post at 17.04? I'm a bit confused!

It's interesting reading, that document. It totally over-eggs the case for uniform, I would say that everything positive that it attaches to uniform can be said of DD's non-uniform school. And correct me if I'm wrong but there is no evidence to say that uniform positive affects teaching or learning, is there (Sutton Trust dispels this myth, doesn't it?)?

Tam, I'm not saying that i agree or disagree with the government's case for the merits of uniform. Just that if that is the preamble to their guidance to schools, the Government stance - and the likely response to legal challenge of that stance - is fairly clear

The best case I've ever heard for uniform is that it guarantees some kids at least one set of clothes.
Mind you, I also believe that teachers should set an example, a cheap suit would do.

Here's the Sutton Trust. The evidence for the effects of uniform is very thin indeed.

www.literacytrust.org.uk/assets/0002/6752/EEF_Toolkit_pdf_version.pdf

Mind you, I also believe that teachers should set an example, a cheap suit would do.

If a school was willing to provide a reasonable uniform for me, several would be needed as I wear clean clothes every day, and pay for the cleaning of it, I would wear it.

Until then I am content to behave like the adult I am and choose the clothes appropriate for my work.

Echt, the longer this thread has gone on, the more I think the main importance of uniform is for general public perception of the quality of the school - did the Sutton Trust investigate that?

echt
Why do you think that the taxpayer should pay for the provision and cleaning of your work clothes?
Most of us wear appropriate clothes as a matter of professional pride.

teacher I don't know the details. The link is a handy toolkit for showing their ranking of various topics. I suppose you could dig deeper to find out the actual studies.

Some of the stuff defies common sense, though. The research on class size shows no appreciable effects on teaching and learning until you get to below twenty in a class. I find it hard to believe as I often had secondary classes of 30 in the UK and here in Au. it's 25 max, and ben then this now feels a lot. 20 is perfect. However that's anecdote, not data.

Sorry, derailed it a bit there.

I do agree that so much of the importance attached to uniform is about public perception. Very difficult for schools to break out of this.

red my response was, at least in a part due to the "cheap suit" aspect of your suggestion.

Red as do the majority of teachers - they dress appropriately for their role - depending on the age you teach and the subject a suit is not always possible.
Teachers seem to have their own form of uniform that suits the job.

redbinneo

"Why do you think that the taxpayer should pay for the provision and cleaning of your work clothes?"

You mean like the police, fire service, medics, NHS etc.?

But then I don't believe that Echt was saying that the taxpayer should pay for work clothes.

I think you're right, though your document suggests that many schools think there is a correlation between uniform and outcome as well. Parents may well be misinformed, they're not educational experts, but schools and the DfE should know better than to make such unsubstantiated claims.

But it's not surprising given the amount of schools that also set homework in primary (with consequences for even reception-aged children ffs) with I think quite robust evidence to say that there's no need for it. Is that schools believing it's right? Or [incorrect] parental pressure? DD's non-uniform primary seem to have a pretty relaxed attitude to homework in EY and KS1 (none in reception, homework in Y1 but up to you and not marked, set in Y2 and marked but stress that it shouldn't be forced and to simply communicate if not done, no consequences), I don't know about KS2. Which suggests that someone in the SMT there has actually looked into the merits (or lack thereof) of these two things.

It would be very interesting to hear from someone from an SMT as to why their school sets the policies it does. It all sounds very similar to the Tories banging on in a DM way about immigrants and benefits, for example, when they must know that the facts don't support them, whatever the public might think.

Echt we had an OFSTED speaker at an inset day about delivering outstanding lessons. He said class size didn't matter and was asked about classes of 33/34 (the norm in my school) where there are not enough desks. He had to back track and say actually it did matter!

Sorry, that was in response to teacher, slow typing!

echt I believe that class sizes have to drop below 15 before there is an appreciable improvement in outcome.

River

From my experience (not SLT/SMT) but in all of the consultations that I have been involved in (10 or so, so a limited number), Both uniform and homework has been driven by the parents.

We have provided information for both sides of the argument, yet the majority of parents want uniform (including hair, make up and jewellery) and homework.

Due to the amount of pupils and parents involved in schools you cannot please everyone.

As another observation (from my limited anecdotal evidence) those that are most likely to kick off about uniform etc. do not turn up to the meetings.

Homework is definitely parent led. It is the biggest cause of complaint from parents in the school where I work.

Bony
You appear to be implying that teachers should wear uniform.
What a good idea, I'm with you on that one.

This a good summary of the class size argument.

www.aeuvic.asn.au/class_size_research_summary.pdf

In a nutshell, it's early years small classes that make the difference, and they make the most difference to the most disadvantaged.

Although private school always bang on about their class sizes as a draw for parents.

Bony.You appear to be implying that teachers should wear uniform.
What a good idea, I'm with you on that one.

But Bony's post was about pupils.

Homework absolutely parent-led where I work, too.

redbinneo

"You appear to be implying that teachers should wear uniform.
What a good idea, I'm with you on that one."

In roles where I have had a uniform it has been provided by the employer, if schools or the government want me to wear a uniform they should provide one that is appropriate to the role.

What uniform would you want me to wear?

I've found schools tend be divided between the parents who think there is not enough homework and those who think there's too much.

I'm fortunate to work where I do not have to follow a timetable for HW and am trusted as a professional. I never set holiday HW for Years 7 and 8, and never set HW for anyone that implies, by its deadline, that they must work over the weekend.

If someone told me I must work over the weekend, I'd be and tell them where to shove it to adjust their expectations.

Like most teachers I do lots of work at the weekend unfortunately, but will not be told that I must.

Bony:
I din't care, so long as it is uniform and identifiable.
It's interesting that you have had several uniformed roles, do you have difficulty in holding down a job?

echt
I'm of the opinion that the only teachers that don't set homework are the ones that can't be bothered to mark it.

Red that's such a rude comment

I'm of the opinion that the only teachers that don't set homework are the ones that can't be bothered to mark it

This doesn't even make sense. How can you not be bothered to mark what you haven't set? Surely you have to set it then not bother, and yes, that does happen.

Or were you having pop at my own professional practice?