To want the advertising of e-cigs banned

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I'll set my stall out from the off here. I have no time for smoking. I find it smelly, disgusting and of no benefit to anyone other than the fat cat tobacco company directors. I was delighted with the smoking ban and all of the limits that have been imposed on advertising and packaging etc, feeling that the world will be a healthier place for my children with the least amount of smoking possible. I'm all for a complete ban- although I appreciate the complexities of that.
But now it seems we have this new wave of e-cig promotion and personally I've been disappointed to see the TV adverts- which include the word "cigarettes". Surely this is a backward step in the promotion of a healthy nation?
I've just been reading an article from The Independent in which various well educated scientists, doctors etc have stated that there is now evidence that e-cigs damage cells. They are NOT a healthy alternative to smoking, and yet they are being promoted on our TVs in the same way that conventional cigarettes once were.

AIBU to think that e-cigs should be subject to the same regulations as conventional cigarettes?

I used an e-cig to quit smoking 3years ago. I think as an alternative to smoking it's far better. I didn't continue to use it as once I had broken the addiction I didn't see the point however I think if they're helpful to people to stop smoking then can't see the harm. Agree more research needs to be done and provided on nhs once research done.

YANBU at all.

I hate smoking and have found I cannot abide the smell of e-cigs either. I don't care if noone knows what the long term implications of vaping are, I don't want to be exposed to the smell thanks.

I hate the sight of people puffing away on e-cigs just as much as I hate the sight of people smoking cigarettes.

It's one thing I'm not even prepared to accept there's another opinion. I hate everything to do with all of it.

I do speak as the daughter of a 70-year-old who is being ravaged by COPD: at this rate my dad who is in his late 80s will outlive her.

I'm with those who think the same restrictions that apply to cigarettes should be applied to the electronic variants. I'm happy to see the advertising will be out of the window soon. Now they need to get rid of the stalls in every shopping centre and make it illegal to smoke them in enclosed public spaces. They're already banned in the local council buildings in my city, and the two bus services have made it clear they're not permitted onboard their vehicles.

I wish they would go away with their cigarettes and e cigarettes, stop selfish polluting the air.

I actually don't thinknow people should use e-cigs places where you can't smoke a normal cig though - it is inconsiderate as there is a smell from them

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howtorebuild - I assume you don't drive, or use any transport come to that? Use wood, oil or coal for heating? These things all smell and pollute, but it's ok to be a hypocrite in these cases I'm sure.....

As to whether there is a smell from e-cigs, that really depends on the product used. Many have no smell at all.

Regarding the smell anyway, I'm afraid people don't have rights about being kept away from smells. I might not like someone's perfume or the smell of what they order in a cafe. Tough.

Ah! The new eugenics.

What other behaviour, addiction, lifestyle would you all like to see put on the Bus to Nowhere?

Be careful... it is almost 100% likely that you yourself will have at least one habit that others deem worth of your eradication!

LordBrightside the one I used did have a smell and 'smoke' the came out if it as did the other brands I knew of at that time but that was 3 years ago. A lot of them are probably better now. As mine gave off a smell I only used it outside.

The "smoke" is in fact steam. Like from an iron.

I hate seeing people sip on their glasses of wine

I hate seeing people nibble their little bars of chocolate

I hate seeing people buying scratch cards

I hate cars polluting my fresh air, and people smelling of garlic, or men smelling of lynx, or even worse BO.

Get rid of it all!

I enjoy vaping. I will vape wherever I'm allowed to vape and sometimes where I'm not stealthily

My juice smells.

But of lovely stuff. I don't much like the smell of dh's though.

I'm not a precious snowflake and can cope.

LordBrightside, I agree. Many perfumes have a bad effect on me, and some people walk around like they've been bathing in 'naice smells', it's horrible. I also cannot stand the smell of bacon - considering it can lead to heart disease and such, I call for all bacon ads (and related adverts) to be banned. Greggs can now only be sold behind shutters, so you cannot be tempted to buy horrible bacon baps in the mornings - goodness forbid, a child on the playground might see you eating one and decide to copy!

U2 you are indeed bound for The Edge

It's funny, authoritarians end up with nowhere to hide from their own arguments and they simply run away to seethe.

Pleasing.

My place of work treats them the same as cigarettes.

2ndSopranosRule .....

"YANBU at all.

I hate smoking and have found I cannot abide the smell of e-cigs either. I don't care if noone knows what the long term implications of vaping are, I don't want to be exposed to the smell thanks. - Your personal 'scent' preferences are no more a reason to ban e-cigs, than it would be to ban advertising of perfumes you don't like

I hate the sight of people puffing away on e-cigs just as much as I hate the sight of people smoking cigarettes. - Again, tough. Not a reason for banning advertising

It's one thing I'm not even prepared to accept there's another opinion. I hate everything to do with all of it. - Guess what? There are plenty of other opinions whether you accept them or not

I do speak as the daughter of a 70-year-old who is being ravaged by COPD: at this rate my dad who is in his late 80s will outlive her. - That's very sad, but no more reason to ban e-cig adverts than junk food ads, considering how many people are dying of obesity related health problems.

**The "smoke" is in fact steam. Like from an iron.

I know that why I put smoke in inverted commas because it's not real smoke, but the fact that it seemed like smoke actually really helped me quit smoking.

Totally agree Kaytee. The vapour for some reason makes it more enjoyable.

I'm another who stopped smoking in favour of vaping, and while it's got to be better than ingesting the 100s of provably dangerous chemicals in fags, I quite accept it's early days and maybe there might be risks discovered in future. But this applies to nearly anything new, so I have to wonder why so much angst is directed at ecigs rather than countless other things

Perhaps comments such as "I'm not even prepared to accept there's another opinion. I hate everything to do with all of it" offer a clue, suggesting as it does a strange urge to control without thought or even common sense. Since the reduction/relocation of smoking has removed a cause for complaint for such folk, maybe they have a worrying need to find something else to vent their strange fury on? A bit odd, really ...

I can't exercise any common sense with anything related to smoking. I won't, in fact. It's the only thing I can't be swayed on.

Someone was vaping in my department at my work and the smell permeated the entire floor.

"Someone was vaping in my department at my work and the smell permeated the entire floor."

Sounds like a massive exaggeration, however people shouldn't be vaping in the workplace.

U2HasTheEdge Waits for plentyofpubes to come talk her awesome sense, along with some others on this thread.

I was just about to but a tree blew over in the front garden so we had to go and saw it all up before it fell on a passer-by. It's good really, it's helped me work off a bit of frustration before replying.

In full, from the UK Govt website ...

Joint statement on e-cigarettes by Public Health England and other UK public health organisations.

We all agree that e-cigarettes are significantly less harmful than smoking. One in 2 lifelong smokers dies from their addiction. All of the evidence suggests that the health risks posed by e-cigarettes are relatively small by comparison but we must continue to study the long term effects.

And yet, millions of smokers have the impression that e-cigarettes are at least as harmful as tobacco and we have a responsibility to provide clear information on the facts as we know them to be. It is our duty to provide reassurance for the 1.1 million e-cigarette users who have completely stopped smoking to prevent their relapse.

To be clear, the public health opportunity is in helping smokers to quit, so we may encourage smokers to try vaping but we certainly encourage vapers to stop smoking tobacco completely.

We know that e-cigarettes are the most popular quitting tool in the country with more than 10 times as many people using them than using local stop smoking services. But, we also know that using local stop smoking services is by far the most effective way to quit.

What we need to do is combine the most popular method with the most effective and that is why we are encouraging those who want to use e-cigarettes to quit smoking to seek the help of their local stop smoking service.

The current national evidence is that in the UK regular e-cigarette use is almost exclusively confined to those young people who smoke, and youth smoking prevalence is continuing to fall. This is an area that we will continue to research and keep under closest surveillance. In October this year, regulations to protect children will make it an offence to sell e-cigarettes to anyone under 18 or to buy e-cigarettes for them and within a year the EU Tobacco Products Directive proposes a ban on all print and broadcast advertising of e-cigarettes as part of a full range of regulations.

The concerns on Public Health England’s evidence review, raised by McKee and Capewell in the BMJ today, are not new and have been covered and fully responded to before.

We should not forget what is important here. We know that smoking is the number one killer in England and we have a public health responsibility to provide smokers with the information and the tools to help them quit smoking completely and forever.

PHE has always been very clear on its commitment to providing up to date information on the emerging evidence on e-cigarettes, as shown in the recent review which is the third in this area in the last 2 years. This commitment drove PHE and Cancer Research UK to set up the UK E-cigarette Research Forum. PHE is honouring its longstanding promise to monitor and share the evidence, providing clear messages to the public.

There is no circumstance in which it is better for a smoker to continue smoking – a habit that kills 1 in every 2 and harms many others, costing the NHS and society billions every year. We will continue to share what we know and address what we don’t yet know, to ensure clear, consistent messages for the public and health professionals.

Public Health England

Action on Smoking and Health

Association of Directors of Public Health

British Lung Foundation

Cancer Research UK

Faculty of Public Health

Fresh North East

Public Health Action (PHA)

Royal College of Physicians

Royal Society for Public Health

Tobacco Free Futures

UK Centre for Tobacco and Alcohol Studies

UK Health Forum

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If you want to know more, the PHE report can be found here. It covers all the concerns raised on this bingo card thread. It's long but not a difficult read and has a good clicky contents page so you can easily find the bits that interest or concern you.

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