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Is this casual racism? Along the lines of ching chong jokes?

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Cimcardishan · 24/12/2015 22:12

I'm BBC (British born Chinese) and feel that it seems more permissible to be casually racist about Chinese than other racial groups. A few years ago there used to be a Chinese tea advert with a kung fu monk and really bad accent which just felt wrong to me. I don't think that kind of advert would have been made about jerk chicken or naan bread for example.

Someone just posted on my FB jokes with Chinese accent, one liners, eg.Tie my shoe Tai Mai Shu

OK, thats pretty rubbish but it was a long list of them. It wasn't to me personally.

I found it old fashioned and un PC. I feel if someone posted this with Jamaican or Indian accents it would be disapproved of.

Am I being oversensitive?

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TaliZorah · 27/12/2015 17:30

Ego probably, I'm 22 so not familiar with older comedians

TaliZorah · 27/12/2015 17:32

sooty I think you're misunderstanding how some of the privacy settings work, no one can see what anyone posts on mine other than friends. Their friends can't see it. You can't even share most of my statuses

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 27/12/2015 17:35

I assumed Tali was much older. Most of what Tali is saying are arguments I heard from people in the 70s when I was a teenager.

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TaliZorah · 27/12/2015 17:37

Lass that it's important to ensure you know your audience when joking about something that someone might find offensive?

How is me personally not getting annoyed at friends jokes remotely wrong?

ilovesooty · 27/12/2015 17:37

I get what you're saying but you don't know what settings all your friends have. It certainly wouldn't do you any good professionally to be seen to have racists on to your friends list. Even if people can't see your Facebook they can see other people's.
I deleted someone from my friends list for racist posts. She uses to volunteer for my company. If she were still there I'd have reported her. She's still doing it which I know because she's posted on the pages of other people I'm friends with and they called her out on it.

TaliZorah · 27/12/2015 17:40

Ego

Perhaps, I haven't seen a lot of sexism/racism in comedy so maybe for those who have even "minor" jokes remind of much more serious offenses?

There ARE things I don't think are funny. I just think if things are meant in good humour, particularly among friends, unless it's absolutely awful then it's not worth getting upset about

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 27/12/2015 17:40

How is me personally not getting annoyed at friends jokes remotely wrong?

That point has been explained several times by Ego and sooty

TaliZorah · 27/12/2015 17:41

sooty no one can see my friends I don't think.

Anyway none of my friends are racist or homophobic or sexist. In fact many of them actively campaign against those issues, as do I. However we all have a dark sense of humour. I don't think that makes us terrible people.

TaliZorah · 27/12/2015 17:43

Lass ego agreed with me that a group of mixed ethnicity mixed sex mixed ability group kicking each other isn't the same as straight white men doing it. That's what we do. Hardly anything to get annoyed about.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 27/12/2015 17:43

Without being ageist, that might explain some of your posts. Many of us grew up in the 70s where TV and the culture was awful. Sexist, racist, homophobic - looking back it's unbelievable but it was accepted back then.

Things have moved on. Thankfully

Yes , agreed although reading people defending racial stereotype jokes does make me wonder if there is slippage back.

Egosumquisum · 27/12/2015 17:45

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TaliZorah · 27/12/2015 17:47

I haven't seen any of those, I'm curious to see how bad they were

ilovesooty · 27/12/2015 17:47

Of course people who stereotype other nationalities and make jokes about racist stereotypes aren't racist. Hmm

I'm rather more concerned that you actually condone attitudes like this and you admit that you'd keep something like this on your wall.

ilovesooty · 27/12/2015 17:49

And "Love thy Neighbour" Ego

WMittens · 27/12/2015 17:49

WTAF?! You get offended on behalf of someone who has actually stated they are not offended?

Mental. I fear for your blood pressure. Well, I would if I cared. Ah'm oot.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 27/12/2015 17:52

Rising Damp - stereotypes but played to it

From what I recall of it, it got a pass because the white , heterosexual male character was clearly the most pathetic and dysfunctional.

I suppose now it might be criticised as being patronising to the characters who aren't white heterosexual males by making them overly better than him rather than just allowing everyone to be a naturalistic mixture of strengths and weaknesses.

TaliZorah · 27/12/2015 17:52

Ego that thread is interesting thanks!

Sooty this is getting weird now. You are insisting I'm wrong to not be offended at jokes I am the subject of...

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ilovesooty · 27/12/2015 17:59

Well Tali if you have friends who find racist stereotyping funny and you see nothing wrong with it if it's just joking you wouldn't see the point I'm making.

TaliZorah · 27/12/2015 18:02

Ego I think that's funny -shrug-

Outaboutnowt · 27/12/2015 18:10

However I personally don't find "racist" jokes when done with the intent of humour offensive

Wow, what a thing to write. You don't find racist jokes offensive.
Well if they're done with the intent of humour then that's ok Hmm