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To not understand why so many Americans are more scared of Muslims than slaughter from their own people?

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Destinysdaughter · 18/12/2015 19:23

I find the amount of support Trump has had both bewildering and frightening. There's been 355 mass shootings in the US this year. However the one that seems to have galvanised people is the one done by the Muslim couple ( the motives of which are still unclear ). There is less call to ban guns than there are to ban Muslims. I guess Trump is just tapping into a vein of fear from people who feel threatened by how things are changing but I just don't get it!

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olafisking · 19/12/2015 00:45

Puff I'll leave this here as you obviously missed it when the last poster linked it
www.globalresearch.ca/non-muslims-carried-out-more-than-90-of-all-terrorist-attacks-in-america/5333619

shins · 19/12/2015 00:45

Shadows, the IRA have been on ceasefire since 1994, that's not a credible analogy. (I'm Irish too)

Puffpastry1 · 19/12/2015 00:46

Oh stop being such an arse Shadows, we all know it. In 20 years time it will be something else.

Yes he IRA did perform many a terrorist attack.
Yes, there are muslim groups that perform terrorist attacks now.

These are facts.

I personally hate religion, it does nothing for women nothing at all.

claig · 19/12/2015 00:48

olafisking, that Global Research article analyses terrorist attacks between 1980 and 2005. People are only really worried about what is going on now, not what happened 20 years ago.

Werksallhourz · 19/12/2015 01:00

Interestingly, more people were killed on 7/7 than the combined number of fatalities in England, Scotland and Wales caused by IRA terrorist attacks in the 20th century.

I have always thought that was quite a fascinating factoid.

ShadowsCollideIsSurroundedByAd · 19/12/2015 01:02

Shins, I'm really not trying to be argumentative, but just because something is in the past, doesn't mean that it can't be used as a 'credible' analogy. Should we, in the late 70s, not have likened Pol Pot to Hitler, purely because Hitler had been dead 30 years? It was still a credible analogy.

ShadowsCollideIsSurroundedByAd · 19/12/2015 01:04

That is actually really interesting, Werks. I'd have assumed that it was the other way around.

Werksallhourz · 19/12/2015 01:16

Shadows ... once you take out fatalities that occurred in Northern Ireland, the number of people killed by the IRA in the rest of the United Kingdom is actually quite small.

However, there were hundreds of injuries caused by IRA bombs in England though; a significant number were extremely serious.

Piratespoo · 19/12/2015 10:14

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fakenamefornow · 19/12/2015 10:16

Am I right in thinking that IRA bombs were mostly intented to cause disruption and economic damage, they weren't intended to just kill as many people as possible, unlike Islamic terrorism? Willing to be corrected if I'm wrong.

AnthonyBlanche · 19/12/2015 10:26

Wow! An awful lot of sweeping generalisations about US citizens here. Irrespective of what anyone thinks of Trump, I'm not sure why people think it is appropriate to criticise the internal policies (gun controls - or lack of) of another country. If you don't like it don't go to the U.S. It's not as though the U.S. is going to be able to export its gun laws to the UK.

fakenamefornow · 19/12/2015 10:59

I'm not sure why people think it is appropriate to criticise the internal policies (gun controls - or lack of) of another country

Really? You think it's never appropriate to criticise the policies of another country?

Well I don't agree. I'm very willing to criticise American gun control laws, and death penalty. I also have a lot to say about Saudi and China and my own country.

fakenamefornow · 19/12/2015 11:01

Agree with you about lot of people make sweeping (and I'll informed) generalisations about Americans though.

AnthonyBlanche · 19/12/2015 11:16

fakename I agree it can be appropriate to criticise another countries internal policies. I just find it bizarre the way people in this country have a tendency to go to town criticising things about the U.S. when in the grand scheme of things there are many countries whose internal policies amount to severe infringements of human rights but get much less attention.

Perhaps what has irritated me most is the sweeping generalisations about US citizens. We're not all thick gun toting prepped whatever the UK media would have you believe.

AnthonyBlanche · 19/12/2015 11:17

Preppers not prepped!

Dipankrispaneven · 19/12/2015 11:34

I think this is all about the "white privilige" thing to be honest, yet again! It's really annoying. Am I supposed to beat myself ragged due to being white? really?

Puff, you do know that an awful lot of Muslims are white, don't you? Is this inherent racism coming out?

IPityThePontipines · 19/12/2015 15:22

The IRA's mainland campaign killed 175 people:

alphahistory.com/northernireland/ira-mainland-campaign/

The IRA bombed Hyde Park, two packed pubs, a coach, several town centres on a Saturday, plus many heinous deeds in Northern Ireland and on the Continent. I would say they were just as happy to kill civilians as any other standard terrorist group.

It's only thanks to the quick work of the police that the Manchester bomb didn't kill scores of people. There were also several planned IRA bombing campaigns on the UK mainland that were foiled by undercover agents.

I'd also have a google of "Proxy bombing" if you need a greater insight into what the IRA were capable of.

There's an awful lot of playing down of the awfulness of The Troubles happening these days.

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