to be sceptical about man made climate change

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.. to a layperson like myself the evidence does not seem robust (record antarctic ice caps) .Even if it were true 'the climate' is such a complicated thing affected by thousands of factors.Is it likely that changing just one or 2 of the factors that are within out control would make a difference (or even that the difference would be in the right direction)
Do you still believe in man made climate change or think it is mainly rooted in politics?

"Ok, but do you know where fossil fuels come from?"

Is this a trick question?

The earth? or Mars?

And still waiting for the 99% accuracy claim.
What have you predicted that came true?
(You need at least 100 events to claim the 99%, btw)

'You really think that people would support Corbyn going into an election'

Yes it is possible because it all depends on events that are out of the control of politicians. Corbyn did succeed in ending the tax cuts and overturning a key one of Osborne's policies. If we get an economic crash that no one foresaw or if other external events occur, then people could easily switch to Labour again. Corbyn beat UKIP in Oldham which surprised UKIP. Anything can happen.

I don't think Sanders will win in America but the fact that he is polling so high shows the level of discontent. I think Trump may win it over there.

Anything can happen in politics because nothing stays the same, events always change. The Conservatives have already cut the green subsidies etc and rolled back on some of their green policies. I think the entire climate change thing will collapse one day but it may take a decade or two before it does.

'And still waiting for the 99% accuracy claim.'

It was a joke. I'm good, but not that good.

The mess of energy policy and climate change policy would be laughable if it were not so catastrophically serious.

In the next 30 days the UK electricity system usually sees its maximum annual demand. This usually coincides with a period of high atmospheric pressure of the UK when the air is clear and there is no wind. Temperature drop precipitously as the clear sky allows heat to escape from the land surface. Gas and electric demand climbs rapidly as people switch on heating.

At this point, virtually no wind turbines are producing electric as there is no wind, 35 year old oil fired power stations are typically brought on line to meet demand.

Problem is the amount of subsidised wind power has severely curtailed investment in new gas fired power stations and most of the large coal fired power stations have closed in the last few years due to other regulatory measures.

On full load the existing power stations can meet peak demand - even without the wind turbines. However, if any power stations fail (as they often do) then the remaining power stations will be left increasingly struggling to meet demand. In certain circumstances natural gas demand may be so high that natural gas system line pack pressure could drop so much that gas turbine power stations begin to automatically disconnect (trip).

There is a non negligible risk that UK power stations will not meet demand in a sustained cold spell if there is no wind and there are failures. This will force the National Grid to call on industrial users to interrupt consumption. In other words shut down UK industry.

That is where renewables policy has taken us to - potentially shutting down UK industry to avoid a blackout.

If demand continues to climb or if industry doesn't switch of demand quickly enough there will definitely be a blackout. The National Grid can order power stations to go to MaxGen but that gives us approximately 15 - 30 minutes of running power stations at above normal capacity before turbine blades begin to melt and bearings start to overheat. During that time, the grid has to be shut down in an orderly way before it becomes unstable but even then the grid will be under such strain it is at 2 seconds notice from an uncontrolled blackout if any one of the remaining power stations fail.

If there are blackouts then public opinion will swing against renewables and the climate change policy very quickly.

So, how good do you claim to be?

Where else were you right?

No joke. You actually believe you have a "99% accuracy rate".

Claig
Ok, but do you know where fossil fuels come from
Its not a trick question at all.

Anybody with GCSE science will be able to tell you the source, the mechanism and the timescale.

Do you really know less science than a 14 year old?

Corbyn did succeed in ending the tax cuts
I missed that bit of House of Commons voting, could you link?
Corbyn beat UKIP in Oldham
The popular, respected, local council leader got elected as the MP : nowt to do with UKIP or Corbyn

"Where else were you right?"

As in, he is right here on this thread?

Good point, Cote.
My mistake.

Where were you ever right?

'Where else were you right?'

I don't like to blow my own trumpet. I don't want to fill the entire thread with point after point after point where I was right.

I'm joking. You have to laugh about politics and even climate change too. I don't believe it - Tony Blair and all the Balirites do. They decide what happens, so all we can do is laugh about it. One day it will change and those of us who thought it was a scam will be in the majority, but that day is still a long way off.

Well, you claim to be an expert on politics.
I think it's only fair if you do show us how good you are.

'Corbyn did succeed in ending the tax cuts
I missed that bit of House of Commons voting, could you link?'

I think you have to give Corbyn credit for that and McDonnell. They pushed the Labour Party in that direction. Before Corbyn was elected, the other contenders didn't vote against Osborne's welfare cuts.

'Well, you claim to be an expert on politics. '

But that is a joke too, although only a partial one.

Is anything that you're saying not a joke?

Perhaps we should consider you simply as a joke then.

We all know those are not jokes. But we are still laughing at the stuff you say, if that makes you feel better.

And when the shit starts to hit the fan, people vote sensibly
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35088276
Trump is dust

claig tell me where you believe fossil fuels come from. It's not trick question.

I'm surprised with your response that you thought it was rather than answer the question?

' But we are still laughing at the stuff you say, if that makes you feel better.'

It make me feel better to know that you are capable of laughing. Laughter is good, it is healthy, bitterness and vitriol is bad for health and mind.

Forgive me if this is irrelevant, but since posters keep mentioning oceans ... would that be like the Pacific, where a colossal garbage patch was claimed to be swirling around, threatening god knows what environmental damage?

Only ASAIK nobody's ever actually seen it - which with satellite capability you'd have thought they might - so now the story seems to have changed to it being particulate matter under the surface, which (conveniently?) doesn't show up

Of course, if this turns out to be a scam that doesn't necessarily mean every other claim is as well; surely, however, it shows just how quickly bandwagons can be boarded?

'tell me where you believe fossil fuels come from'

Under the earth

And from everything you said, what exactly you do not consider as joke?

claig - I believe the question is how you think fossil fuels got there "under the Earth" . What are fossil fuels, in other words?

'what exactly you do not consider as joke?'

I don't think it is a joke that man-made climate change is a scam. I'm with Piers Corbyn on that.