to be sceptical about man made climate change

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.. to a layperson like myself the evidence does not seem robust (record antarctic ice caps) .Even if it were true 'the climate' is such a complicated thing affected by thousands of factors.Is it likely that changing just one or 2 of the factors that are within out control would make a difference (or even that the difference would be in the right direction)
Do you still believe in man made climate change or think it is mainly rooted in politics?

"What about the 97% of scientists who don't think it's a scam?

Claig - just because it's the established view does not mean it's wrong."

I think on this issue they are wrong and the sceptics are right. I don't think sceptics are right on everything, but I think they are right on this. I agree with Sarah Palin, Donald Trump, Tony Abbott, Piers Corbyn and the 40% of the public who disagree with the experts on this issue.

T-shirt for Claig.

'I know enough science to be able to analyse what he says and pick points in it'

I agree that you know that, but do you know more about it in the final analysis than he does?

'He studied physics. I studied chemistry and biochemistry.'

But he covered the advanced maths that is needed to study the mathematical models that model the climate and the maths needed to interpret the data.

claig you might not be interested in the science behind climate change or even how the carbon cycle works but you are in dire need of a lesson in Cognitive Dissonance

You might be right that "they'' are out to screw us over and that "they" will make profit from anything but that doesn't negate the science.

So did a lot of other people, including a lot of the people who are saying that anthropogenic climate change is a problem. What's your criterion for picking your viewpoint?

Lancelottie , are you a scientist?

Did all the scientists agree with Einstein when he proposed the Special Theory of Relativity, did all the scientists agree with Quantum Mechanics? Science changes and some theories hold greater validity over time. There are scientists who disagree with the government sponsored lines. Piers Corbyn, brother of Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, is just one high-profile example.

Ooops, that was to Claig. Not that I'm sure why I'm bothering.

Yes.

And I am perfectly aware that scientific viewpoints change over time. In my time, the scientific viewpoint has changed from very few scientists contemplating significant warming, to a majority view that it is very, very likely.

Again, what's your reasoning behind only listening to the minority view?

'You might be right that "they'' are out to screw us over and that "they" will make profit from anything but that doesn't negate the science.'

Yes, I think I am right, but the science is contested too. If the science was not contested and every single scientists on the planet was in agreement, then there would be no alternative case unless until an Einstein possibly disproved it, but that is not the case.

I would guess, though, that anyone who admits to being a scientist is instantly suspect on the grounds that they get paid bugger all actually for it. Sigh.

'I think on this issue they are wrong and the sceptics are right

Why?'

Based on arguments outside of science and in the political realm where human affairs and government scientific budgets and coffee and biscuits for delegates at 40,000 retinue conferences of government bureaucrats are run.

claig how can you say the science is contested when you've admitted you don't know it!!!

'In my time, the scientific viewpoint has changed from very few scientists contemplating significant warming, to a majority view that it is very, very likely.'

Has that coincided with a growth in grants to those on one side and do you know the figure of the amount of taxpayer money and government grants that are allocated to study the case against man-made climate change? Does the eminent scientist Piers Corbyn get any government money?

Also, please take moment to click and read the link I posted. It will serve you well.

'claig how can you say the science is contested when you've admitted you don't know it!!!'

Because I know that Piers Corbyn and many other scientists contest it. I leave it up to them to argue over it. I think it is political.